Vince Weiguang Li & Tim McLean Jr: Li & McLean updates
By Clarencia Cynrae on August 1st, 2008Updated Tuesday March 3 – Vince Li pleaded not guilty to killing Tim McLean.Vince Li will present psychiatric evidence in his defense. The trial will decide if Li is to be sent to a psychiatric institution for treatment or convicted and sent to prison. (Source)
McLean’s mother, Carol de Delley, wants murder convicts jailed for life. This includes the mentally insane or Not Criminally Responsible (NCR). De Delley has started a campaign to change the Criminal Code in Canada. Her proposed change has been dubbed as “Tim’s Law”. (Source)
Updated Aug 11.
The Windigo Cannibal hypothesis.
Nathan Carlson, an athno-historian from Edmonton, thinks that a Windigo was responsible for Vince Li killing, defiling and eating the corpse of Tim McLean. A Windigo is a creature in mythology that eats humans. It can possess humans and convert them into cannibals. In 1800 – 1900s, there were gruesome deaths linked to Windigo.
Nathan Carlson researched and documented cases where people would have convulsions, make sounds and plead with captors to kill them before they turn cannibals. Nathan Carlson said that there were many similarities with Vince Li and the Windigos.
Vince Li’s next court appointment is on Sept. 8. A psychologist will determine if Vince Li is fit to stand trial and be held responsible for his actions.
Updated August 9.
The funeral of Tim McLean was attended by roughly 600 people. A few hundred anti-protestors were around to guard the church service and Tim McLean’s family. Westboro Baptist Church members failed to show up in any protest.
Updated on August 9.
Westboro Baptist Church members have succeeded in reaching Manitoba and are in hiding until Tom McLean’s funeral service starts on Saturday afternoon. WBC plan to picket and display their signs.
Updated August 8. Carol deDelley’s message.
Tim McLean, whose full name was Timothy Richard McLean Jr, had a mother, Carol deDelley. Carol deDelley has released a message. Tim McLean had 4 parents. His biological parents divorced and re-married. Carol deDelley is Tim McLean’s mother. His father is Tim McLean Sr. Tim McLean Sr. married Nadine McLean. Amanda McLean/Corregan is Tim’s eldest sister. Vana deDelley is a step sister. Jade deDelley is a stepsister. Kathryn McLean is his sister. Kendall deDelley is a half-brother and Donald deDelley is a half-brother.
The four parents asked for privacy to mourn their loss. Source.
Updated August 8.
Jim Cotton, of Winnipeg Beach, has gathered a group of people who promised to show up at Tim McLean’s funeral on Saturday. Jim Cotton’s group will encircle the opposite group from Westboro Baptist Church and pray for Tim McLean’s family. They will also stop the picketing visitors from creating disturbances.
WBC church members are determined to cross the Canadian Border. One of them said that the only way to check for the WBC member is to do the strip search and look for the WBC tattoo on the butt.
Updated Aug 7.
The story about Stacey on the bus is false. Stacey was on a plane at the time of the murder. Vince Li sold his laptop for $60 to Darren Beatty, 15, a gas station worker. Darren Beatty said there were letters, resumes, photos and personal data of Vince Li stored there. Police have removed the laptop for investigations.
A Montreal businessman and a newspaper have donated a laptop to Darren Beatty to replace the one removed by the police. Dorothy Beatty, Darren’s mother, expressed her gratitude.
PETA wanted to buy an ad that depicted the slaying of Tim McLean as similar to that of an animal. Portage la Prairie’s newspaper declined citing bad taste.
Westboro Baptist Church, a hate group based in US, planned to travel to Westwood Community Church on Saturday, Aug 9, to protest. They want to relay their message that God hates Canadians and that was why Tim McLean died in such a horrible tragedy. Tim Dedelly, Tim McLean’s step-father, said he has reported this to the local police.
Katie McLean and Amanda Corrigan are sisters of Tim McLean. They attended a candlelight vigil at the Manitoba Legislature in Winnipeg on Sunday, August 3. It was a memorial for Tim McLean.
Updated August 6.
The court in Portage La Prairie, Manitoba, ordered Vince Li to take a psychiatric evaluation. The prosecuting lawyer said Vince Li had a plastic bag in his pocket when he was arrested. In the bag were body parts like an ear, nose and a portion of a mouth. In Court, Vince Li said, “Please kill me.”
Updated August 5.
A roadside memorial has been set up at about 20 kilometres west of Portage la Prairie for Tim McLean Jr., who was murdered on July 30.
Update.
Vince Li spent an hour chatting and smoking with a woman named Stacy. Stacy was Tim McLean’s colleague in North American Midway Entertainment. Stacy has returned to British Columbia, in Canada. Now, the McLean family are curious about what Stacy and Vince Li talked about.
Tim McLean had messaged his girlfriend, Alexandra Storey, that some bus passengers had consumed ecstasy. Alexandra Storey said she suspected Stacey may have said something that triggered Vince Li’s attack on Tim McLean. Alexandra believed that Vince Li did not just change seats and pick out Tim McLean without reason.
A family in Winnipeg who knew Vince Li told the press that they suspected Vince Li was suffereing from paranoid schizophrenia. Je refused to seek treatment.
Updated August 4.
Vince Weiguang Li was first reported to be a Chinese Muslim by CBC, but the newspaper edited itself and deleted the references to Vince Li being a Muslim. Since the original report has been scrapped by a professional scrapper, all references/ links can not be traced. It was as if it never existed. Maybe it was a rumor or a genuine mistake which the editor corrected.
This was rumored to be in a report by Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) -
“RCMP announced Friday morning that they have charged Vince Weiguang Li, 40, of Edmonton with second-degree murder. He is scheduled to appear at the Manitoba provincial court in Portage la Prairie. A Chinese Muslim, Li expressed to investigators that his actions were motivated by the Koran.” (webpage link is missing).
Updated August 4.
On Sunday, August 3, Tim McLean’s family, relations, friends and well wishers gathered together at their local church for a memorial service. There were about 200 people present.
Tim was suddenly taken away on Wed. July 30, 2008. Tim McLean’s colleagues will organize a fundraising activity to assist in the financial burden on his family. McLean had worked for North American Midway.
Should the Canadian Government do something to implement security measures for Greyhound buses? Read here.
Updated August 4.
Picture of Alex McLean, Tim McLean’s uncle. Alex McLean described Tim as being a good and gentle soul.
Updated August 3.
Vince Li has been put on a suicide watch at Winnipeg Remand Center. Vince Li is protected from himself by being clothed in a special suicide suit. Five correctional center officials have to accompany and watch him if he has to be transported anywhere. He is a flight risk and suicide risk.
Vince Li has not spoken since Sunday afternoon. He communicated by nodding or shaking his head, in response to questions. He refused to speak to a lawyer he refused to make eye contact with anyone.
Pastor Tom Castor, from the Baptist Church, and his congregation have offered help to Vince Li’s wife, Anna Li. Simultaneously, the Baptist Church has also offered services to Tim McLean’s family.
Updated August 3.
Vince Li was charged with second degree murder. He did not enter his plea as it was not required. One hand was bandaged and his face was bruised. His injuries could have been sustained when he tried to escape from the locked bus. Vince Lee broke a window to try to run out but the police apprehended him.
Vince Li migrated to Canada from China 4 years ago. The Winnipeg community took him under their wing. Vince Li was reserved and well liked. Vince Li showed that he was lost sometimes but refused to seek professional help for his problems.
Vince Li suddenly developed the habit of taking bus trips. Friends heard that he went away to look at land but doubted that he had the money to buy property. Vince Li had a wife in Winnipeg but he uprooted himself to Edmonton. After some time, Mrs. Li joined her husband in Edmonton.
One time, Vince Li was upset about getting a traffic ticket and he recounted the incident to a friend. Vince Li said that “they were after me, there was nothing there.” This was one of the indications that something was not quite right with him.
Vince Li’s former church pastor at the Baptist Church will discuss with some people on how they could render assistance to Vince Li.
Updated August 2, from Edmonton, Canada.
The murder happened on Wednesday night and by Friday morning, Vince Li made his first court appearance. The prosecution lawyer asked for a psychological report but the judge said he wanted to give Vince Li the chance to consult with his lawyer first.
Vince Li was able to nod his head in response to a question asked by the judge. The judge asked him if he was exercising his right not to speak and Li understood and nodded his head.
Vince Weiguang Li worked as a newspaper delivery man. His former boss, Vincent Augert, said he worked on Monday, July 28, 2008. When Vince Weiguang Li failed to show up for work on Tuesday, July 29, Vincent Augert called his cell phone and a woman answered. She identified herself as Vince Weiguang Li’s wife. He had left town on an emergency and she had no idea where he went, according to Mrs. Vince Weiguang Li.
Vincent Augert knew that Vince Weiguang Li worked at McDonald’s too. Vincent Augert, whose relationship to Vince Weiguang Li was as his newspaper delivery supervisor, said that Li was a nice guy.
Vince Weiguang Li’s next appointment in court will be on Tuesday, August 5, 2008.
Updated August 1.
Picture of Vince Weiguang Li is below:
A Canadian police officer’s audio tape revealed that the suspect, Vince Weiguang Li, killed his victim, and hacked off pieces of the body to eat it.
Original post:
Tim McLean, 22, was a victim of a stabbing in a Greyhound bus. Tim McLean was decapitated. He was Tim McLean Jr., from Winnipeg. Police have charged Vince Weiguang Li, 40, of Edmonton, with second degree murder. He will appear in the Manitoba Provincial court in Portage la Prairie.
Tim McLean
Tim McLean was listening to his music with his headphones on and he could have fallen asleep when Vince Weiguang Li sat down beside him.
Eye witnesses said Vince Weiguang Li suddenly took out his Rambo-like knife and stabbed Tim McLean repeatedly. All passengers & the driver left the bus. Vince Weiguang Li cut off Tim McLean’s head and walked around the bus.
The passengers secured the door from outside to prevent him from coming out. The driver disabled the bus so that Vince Weiguang Li could not drive off. Police managed to persuade Vince Weiguang Li to surrender himself peacefully.
Condolences to Tim McLan’s family. This is a horrific tragedy.
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August 1st, 2008 at 10:08 pm
‘Vince Weiguang Li’?
Have they been trying to suppress this guy’s ethnic identity? What may explain why it took so long for his name to be released.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:16 pm
Amazing that even after 9/11 people are still aloud to be able to carry weapons of any kinda onto public transportation. Bus stations should not be any different than Airports, security is needed.
Now a young man lost his life because someone else was aloud on that bus with a weapon. I hope they throw this person in jail for life.
John
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:22 am
My post was removed because I drew attention to the fact that this guy is, by the sound of his name, ASIAN.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:24 am
LOL it wasn’t removed – it just suddenly reappeared. Bizarre!
Anyway, they say this guy behaved like a robot. This is obviously a mind controlled puppet and the plan is to make us scared to travel on buses.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:37 am
One correction, Vince Weiguang Li is not merely accused of beheading Tim McLean Jr, it is the solid fact that he DID do it. This is beyond a shadow of a doubt.
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:55 am
He’s accused of second degree murder. There was no beheading, which is the act of removing the head of a live being. There was a murder then indecencies to a human body after the fact.
August 2nd, 2008 at 3:01 am
all buses should be ban or abolish. not safe at all, make the whole country run on electric bullet train streetcar.
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:27 am
when i heard this, instantly i had this thought occurred to me the killer must be a male. Am i being sexist?
Anyhow, deranged people like this could happen to any race, unfortunately pretty much only to males. So i think there is no need to hide the racial profile of the killer. There is no need to be politically correct here, because we are not dealing with a normal person. Race bears no significance at all.
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:45 am
‘Vince Weiguang Li’?
where he is from originally?
I would say please please hang him … or put on Electric chair so that he would know that how much he hurt Tim.
Put him on Electric chair…. please please please
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:46 am
Mr. John Spadoni; A silly comment considering that three of the passengers ran out of the bus and searched out weapons (tire irons) which they used to keep the killer at bay. These weapons probably saved the lives of others. Other passengers dialed 911 in the hopes that people with weapons would appear in a timely manner, forgetting that when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
Weapons are inanimate tools of a million varieties that are used for either protecting or taking life, based entirely upon the whims of the user.
What is really amazing is that in this day and age, more than a dozen adults irresponsibly chose to be unarmed and unprepared to do anything at all against a lone evil. It was purely good fortune that allowed three passengers the ability and time to exit and obtain weapons.
More amazing still is that some people continue to advocate the disarming of the good people, thereby disabling them against attack by the evil who predictably and consistently disobey disarmament laws, even in the face of the gross failures of such weapons controls in Australia, England, Canada and parts of the US and even in the face of the deaths of millions in post-weapon-control genocides perpetrated by dozens of governments over the centuries of human existence.
Wise up.
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:47 am
I’ve seen this question going around the ‘net about the ethnicity of the attacker. Why does it matter? Are we not aware that the vast majority of serial killers are white men? Funny, when you bring this up, the racists go mysteriously silent.
They even thought this guy was a Muslim because his victim was beheaded. First off, a so-called Muslim wacky enough to behead someone with a knife without a trial beforehand wouldn’t have talked to random single women at the bus stop beforehand. (He did.) Secondly, a so-called Muslim wacky enough to do all that would have grown a beard. Nobody described him as having one before this report came out and he was identified in the press. D’you suppose we’ll see apologies now from the racists to the Muslim community? Nah. But white people are “more civilized,” they hasten to inform us.
I am ashamed of my own race, and sorely tempted to claim my Native ancestry instead.
August 2nd, 2008 at 5:19 am
Dana, what are you talking about? are you going to do something this next? To say muslims won’t talk to single women? They ones who did 9-11 were at strip clubs prior to doing that. The attacker is chinese. Never thought about him being muslim, but could be. Nutter he is for sure. I think to throw crap in your fan, what if this was a white guy doing this to a chinese person? you would be all up in arms. I think it does need to be looked at to why he chose a single white male. Honestly, I hope they cut his f*cking chinese head off but they won’t cause canada is so soft and scared that they themselves have brought this on. Who lets just anyone on a bus without checking carry on baggage? who doesn’t give a driver some form of protection, if not a gun(I know how canadians pee themselves when they hear the G word) then at least a tazer or mace. This could have been contained had the driver had something. Useless at protecting their people your country is. Not everyone is as nice as wayne gretzky, especially when you run an open door immigration policy such as canada does…
August 2nd, 2008 at 6:07 am
hang him by his testicles tazer them and cut his dick off
August 2nd, 2008 at 6:11 am
Bruce you, my friend, are a moron. Come visit my scared little country and i’ll give you a definitive lesson in asskickery. We are bigger and we’re on top. If this were prison you would be our bitch. Did you know that Canada has more guns per capita than the US?
Yeah disallowing weapons on a bus would totally stop a nut job like this guy from doing brutal things. Because that’s entirely sensible logic you fucking net drunk.
August 2nd, 2008 at 7:02 am
All i have to say is it takes one fucked up individual to do something so morbid. I honestly believe he should be killed or in jail for the rest of his life. My heart goes out to his family and friends.
August 2nd, 2008 at 7:05 am
What’s his ethnicity got to do with anything?
You actually think it is right to kill someone – to show him that it is wrong to kill? Who’s gonna kill the guy who kills him? And then that guy?
August 2nd, 2008 at 7:15 am
I completely agree with Bruce and think it’s stupidity that bus drivers are not given a weapon or some other form of protection. Who cares if Canada has more guns per capita than people in the US? I am Canadian and am sickened at how spineless this country is. No one on that bus had a weapon with them which could have been used to at least stop the attacker before performing such horrendous indecencies to his victims body.
You, Leet, are the moron.
August 2nd, 2008 at 7:51 am
i have an ideal put him on a bed, use his own knife, cut his lipps off then cut his penis off shove it in his mouth then cut his ears off then cut his eyeballs out ,then burn him slowly , and show it on national tv and say kill innocent people this will happen to you. wish they would do this in the us.
August 2nd, 2008 at 8:43 am
This is terrible, how come all those people just sat in horror and done nothing while this all happened? Wasn’t there enough men on that bus to stop 1 deranged man?
I don’t think we should take away weapons from the Canadian people, used to defend ourselves. The criminals will all have guns and knives. Do you actually think they are going to obey the laws?
It’s a complete failure of the justice system. Killers should be killed, period. Why spend thousands of dollars to give him a lawyer for defense? If the justice system worked, the jails wouldn’t be packed out. People would fear the law. There is a difference between the Justice system and legal system. Tax payers should not have to shoulder the cost of keeping someone like this in jail.
August 2nd, 2008 at 9:20 am
Leet, you my friend are the moron. I am Canadian. I was born there, I lived there and left, and you?. I do live in the true land of the free, the USA.
Canada may have more guns per capita when it comes to long guns, but those are hardly the best for personal protection. A handgun is superior, try to get one of those without signing your life away. Not to mention the price of ammo up there, you would be too scared to unload a whole mag because you might have to skip eating for the next month.. But that aside. The driver is who should be armed, it is foolish and naive that they are not. So leet your tough guy bullsh*t is just that. And yes Canada is a cow being led by the nose. i will not say all canadians are coddled, but the government does not want you to protect yourself, and you are told that is the best thing for you. I can guarantee you after this tragedy greyhound will rethink not screening carry on and not having armed drivers.. Canada needs to get its balls back and hang this f*cker. And while they are at it banish you to whatever hole you crawled out of….
August 2nd, 2008 at 9:39 am
Leet… This is typical Canadian gutter-speak. Wake up you cross eyed retard!
Case and point: “We are bigger and we’re on top. If this were prison you would be our bitch. Did you know that Canada has more guns per capita than the US?”
So being the guy who f@%$ other men up the ass in prison is something to be proud of?!
And by the way you’re country is bigger by about .3 million sq. KM… not much dude. Keep trying. Russia still owns you.
The “per capita” gun claim is completely irrelevant too. Think about it, per capita… Your country has a population of 33 million. U.S… 303 million. The argument makes zero sense, but coming from a person who never even stated his claim with a number, it’s not surprising.
August 2nd, 2008 at 10:44 am
hang weiguang li by his balls until death
then feed his body to the dogs
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:55 pm
TOO BAD CANADA DOESN’T HAVE THE DEATH PENALTY. I HOPE THIS MONSTER GETS WHATS COMING TO HIM BY OTHER PRISONERS; A CRUEL ANS SADISTIC KIFEING. HE IS A MONSTER AND PURE EVIL. I HATE HIM FOR KILLING TIMOTHY, AN INNOCENT 22 YR OLD SMALL KID, WHO DIDN’T DESERVE TO DIE AND ESPECIALLY IN THAT WAY. I HOPE THEY ARM DRIVERS NOW WITH AT LEAST MACE AND/OR A TASER.
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:38 pm
My heart goes out to the family.As for the murder i am puzzled at what to say. I know that Canada has poor justices system. i have a solution and that is lock him up and he can only see day lite for 10mins a day and the rest of the time he can rot in his cell. As tax payer i think we give our prisoners too much things such as education,dental,computers and more.
i hope our government wakes up i doubt it.
August 3rd, 2008 at 2:04 am
the death penalty needs to be reinstated no qurstions asked! – this animal who i wont refer
to by any name, but will clearly state is equivalent
to a piece of shit, needs to have his life ended.
i dont care by what means, as long as his is removed
from our society. A jail cell would be too good for
him.
a referendum, and our lousy politicians and law makers need to wake up, and earn their money and take care of the people.
i wish for this animal to die as soon as possible.
disgusting display of bullshit laws that seriously need to be changed.
August 3rd, 2008 at 5:01 am
Li is a very common name, the number of people with this name in China and other asian countries is probably bigger than the whole population of American and Canada combined. It’s the smith of the Chinese names.
And how many hedious killings happen in America and Canada every day?
August 3rd, 2008 at 5:07 am
There are a lot of mulims in China, they all take Han Chinese names like Li, but they are ethnically different than the Han, and live a different life style like not eating pork etc.
August 3rd, 2008 at 5:30 am
This sick whore of a man deserves to be slowly lit on fire,hung until near death,And then be beheaded before he dies.He deserves everything possible.And the fact that the police say he cannablized the body is just sickening.If he doesnt’ get anything like that,I hope he is slowly murdered in jail…
August 3rd, 2008 at 6:00 am
Millions of Chinese people are Muslims, and they do not have beards. Muslim men speak to non-related females; it is the females that are forbidden to speak to non-related males. The jury is out on whether or not Vince Li is Muslim, but it should come out in the wash. It is unfortunate, the truck driver who stopped to help did not have a gun in his truck to shoot Vince Li.
My heartfelt condolences go out to the victim’s family and friends. I’ve never, in all my years, heard of anything so horrific happening in Canada.
August 3rd, 2008 at 7:13 am
Why is it that Canada is being blamed for this? Because Canada doesn’t have a cruel enough justice system that makes it our fault?
There is only one person, and one person alone who is responsible for this horrific crime, and that is the piece of shit, certifiable whackjob who did the crime. Period.
This man should pay the price for his crime which should invovle rotting in prison, getting raped up the ass by the man with the biggest penis awaiting the day that he is tortured and burned at the stake.
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:30 am
What kind of poser still uses the term “leet” let alone calls himself by it. Go back to talking about Halo with your codeboy wannabe friends and stop making Canadians look bad.
August 3rd, 2008 at 12:31 pm
MuslimOrNot should be hanged for those comments.
yea, the murderer Li shud be mutilated and made to suffer on tv to scare other potential killers. he probaly blamed society for keepig him down due to his ethnicity and killed the boy who had a bright future unlike him
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:37 pm
The guy is clearly batshit insane and filled with rage and brutality, and he should be locked up for the rest of his natural life. If an insanity plea is offered and accepted, and any expert psychiatrist ever suggests that his condition has been improved by drugs or therapy or anything else to the point that he’s supposedly capable of going out in public without his leg irons and/or straight jacket, they should be locked up with him.
I sincerely hope that he dies a horrible death at whatever jail or mental institution he ends up in.
August 3rd, 2008 at 11:40 pm
Muslim? Why would anyone comment or insist that a Muslim would do such an act? Ignorant, Li is Baptist Christian if you can read, funny that the journalist actually investigated that too, shows you the mentality of our society. If you think for a moment that Al-qaida represents Islam then I’m sorry to say you’re gravely wrong. Islam is of peace just as the other religions. People make their own choices whether to do things in life for their own reasons, religions, such as Islam teach love, peace and respect for all life because God/Allah created all life and it is be act of nature not man to take that life, period. Please stop listening to CNN or whatever your media person try to SELL you.
August 4th, 2008 at 6:26 am
“Vince Weiguang Li’?
Weiguang Li is pure HAN-CHINESE, like president HU of China. His name can be written as ???
No minorities (Tibets or turkish speaking Uyghurs or Mongolians, or Hui muslim chinese) in China will use chinese names, and NEVER ! They never accept chinese occupation in their homeland then how they like use Chinese name ?!
But almost all Han-Chinese shame to use its origin name. Example: when a chinese came to christian country he/she will copy a christian name to his/her own name and if they come to muslim world they just copy an arabic name to their origin name, all of this is just to get a piece of free bread !
Any way, regardless of his identity or religion, “Vince Weiguang Li” must be hanged immediately !
August 4th, 2008 at 6:52 am
Greg arif, stop your nonsense. Muslims are hardly about peace. Or are you just regurgitating what you have been told by the liberal media. LAst time I checked christians don’t condone suicide bombings. Watch the you tube videos of the london mosque undercover that show their “peaceful” leaders talking about killing the kafar (and in case you missed that on the CBC, it means non muslims, ie you and I, well me for sure) and no one gets up to denounce it or leave. Anyhow this is about an chinese immigrant to canada(only been there for 4 years) that decided to brutally kill an innocent man. And the RCMP failed to stop the horror show, and greyhound failed to secure their transport systems. That is what this is about. I am sure if he is a muslim you may never hear about that, I am guessing he wasn’t as he worked part time at some church he attended, supposedly. So leave your defense of the modern day nazis(muslims) out of this. And do yourself a favour as well and google mark steyn and learn more about your peaceful muslims…
August 4th, 2008 at 7:48 am
I think he’s a closet muslim…Muslim like to cut the heads off people
August 4th, 2008 at 8:26 am
This guy should rot in jail for the rest of his life but unfortunately, that is not going to happen. Life sentence in Canada is a mere 10 years or LESS with good behaviour!!! Our judicial system is condemned by the past-Liberal administration and the current government does not have the majority to reform the system. Heck we can’t even get the young offenders act passed because the Liberals-stacked unelected Senate is trying to block it.
August 4th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Bruce,
I was commenting on how it is seemingly obvious on how the media always uses Muslims and Islam as a possible suggestion…cause it sells. By the way, I am Muslim and no we do not teach about hate, in London yes there is a well known extremist there that preaches in the open, does that person speak for all Muslims? NOT. Read the Qu’ran and you’ll have the answers to how suicide and acts against mankind are handled in the name of God. Strickly against. Yes Christians (FBI building in Oklahoma, Crusades…not to mention that Bush announced to the world his invasion to Iraq as a crusade…hmmm), Jews (Palestine), Sheiks (Air Canada bombing), and so many morehave all been at the helm of terrorist activities, stop pointing fingers. Comparing Nazi’s and Islam is way out there dude…not sure why you loath but most likely due to alot of misinformed rubbish. In relation to this terrible and tragic death I can easily say hey, why are all these Chinese immigrants shot and killing so many North Americans lately but hey…Chinese are not to blame for this either obviously. There are many individuals out there that are in need of mental help and this guy probably had a death wish. Point is no religion is at fault for individuals actions, I have not ever read in any Bible, Qu’ran, or torra that killing innocent life is tolerated ever. in Islam it is strongly against these actions…please try to think of the Globe and not a few bad apples, if Islam was about killing all then just do the math and you can see how this would have been so already. Islam is and continues to grow larger and more rapidly then any other religion on the planet, must say something…and since there is over a Billion Muslims out there then why are we all denouncing these terrorists and assisting on squashing them out? Just think and read the real words and not the crap posted on CNN, CBC or whatever…you tube…come on, CBC and BBC covered that stuff and that crazy Shite Imam with his hardcore cult like tatics, have we not seen the same with Wako Texas or with Charles manson? think about it…does it it sell or what?
August 4th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Greg Arif, you were the only here yabbing on about muslims. Are you here to talk about this horrific killing, or did you come to hijack this and praise allah. Screw you and your bullsh*t religion. Have you seen obsession? Watch it and you will see why I compared muslims to nazis. If people amongst a church i belonged to were doing acts of violence like your church partners do I would denounce the religion and move on. The peace thing is being blown away as the cover now. All i can say is to the others go to this link and watch the documentary Obsession, it will shut Greg Arif’s mouth for him… Screw allah!
http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/trailer.php
August 4th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
The growth of Islam is because there is one born every day. It will be a hard sell in the west as women here are allowed freedoms, that will be a hard one to take away. And I will fight your church to the end. Shariah law is never going to ruin my world. screw Allah!
http://freemansburden.blogspot.com/2008/03/correct-me-if-im-wrong-but-doesnt-koran.html
August 4th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
I wonder what Vince Weiguang Li has done during his numerous unknown bus trips that his wife claims that he has been taking in the past. I think this guy has killed before and done this numerous times. This time his evilness or possession of some sort took over him and he was not able to control the urge. Seeing he tried to run after shows that he came to his senses and it was too late to hide anything. I think ther is more to this man’s history. Just seeing he was wearing shades at night while travelling on the bus and till this date not being able to have an eye contact or a word with anyone shows there is more to him that humanly explained. I am very sorry for Tim. what a shame an inocent life could end this way. It could have been any of us.
August 4th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
I dont think Vince was a islamic fanatic. No muslim fanatic would ever EAT the body of a enemy.
No, this fucker is a psycho who obviously has murdered before and did so again. Why else would he bring a huge knife on board a bus with him? to cut cheese with??!?!
Its a shame the cops didnt gun him down. That scum doesnt deserve to be breathing, Why, he could attack and murder other inmates and guards in jail and when he’s released (Canada doesnt have ‘life’ sentances, or the death penalty anymore) he’ll kill again.
I say bring back the gallows for the most extreme cases….in this case, this psycho canibal killer.
I know it sounds mob like, but…..HANG HIM! for the sake of the lives of others make him pay!
August 4th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Bruce,
Sorry that your stuck in a cave, hope one day you’ll be allowed to play outside with the world other then the one on your tv screen. Once again comparring movies to real life, comparring Shiite to Sunni’s? Yikes…all I said is come on, some places live in the past (3rd world and beyond). Alot of Muslims are modern and do not live like the way Hollywood tries to label all Muslims. Allah is Arabic for God, same God that Christians and Jews pray to. Muslims are not a group of thugs that run around beheading people, I believe the Brits started that one (off with their heads, even in Alice in Wonderland), never mind, I know this is just passing through one ear and out the other and unfortunately people like you Bruce will make sure that there can be no peace in the world and forever blame an entire race/coulture/nation/skin colour/etc for your personal issues. I hope one day you will stop and learn for at least educational purposes, no conversion needed for learning, nothing to fear. Enough of this slamming Bruce.
Once again, my condolences to the Mclean family and I hope that Vince is removed from society for the rest of his life. Terrible and tragic.
August 4th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Excuse me Greg-Arif, sorry to bug you but I am curious. What actually is the difference between Sunni’s and Shiite’s?
August 4th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Hi Me, no bother, and I apologise to anyone affended for this discussion to bend towards religion briefly. Sunni’s represent the original teaching of Islam taught from the last Prophet of God (Moses, Jesus, then Mohammad, peace to them all). Shiite’s believe the same but follow the directions of the Prophets son-in-law named Ali, whom was an important person but allas not the Prophet. Sunni’s and Shiite’s have lived side by side peacefully until the world war came to play, then the British managed to install the “Divide and Conquer” tactics to try to form barriers around the Islamic region in the middle East fearing the vast populated regions and Islam itself. Iran is prominently shiite, Turkey (Turkiye) is mostly Sunni. I must say I have many Iranian friends too and they are not hardlined, I have friends from all over the middle east and they are not hardlined either. I have travelled throughout Turkiye too and nope…sorry, for warm and friendly people there, as are the religious leaders too. You see I was born here in Canada (family immigrated here in the mid 1800’s from England), was raised as a Baptist Christian until I was able to think for myself (no disrespect to Christians) and in time I came to study religions including Islam, easily fell in love with the religion. I can not preach Islam (also forbidden) but recommend to read and discover for yourself, but you would have to find an authentic Qu’ran (any Islamic store would have) and not one published independantly at your local Coles. Hope this answers some questions for you. I really just want people to stop blamming others (too easy to do) for the evil of few, they too will be judged one day, any Muslim that kills any person that is not by defence but personal reasons has just left the religion and is acting out of some persons directions which conflict with Islam, period. Ask anyone that studies the religion or even speak with an Imam at a Mosque, they welcome discussions from all walks of life, no closed doors, nothing hidden.
August 4th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
“Those who know Li Weiquang say that he is a Muslim, married, and since coming to Canada has worked in restaurants and newspaper delivery. He has never previously committed any crime. He is about 173 centimeters tall, of sturdy build and brave disposition. Those who know him also said that he once worked in an Edmonton McDonald’s where he had a very good relationship with the manager, who praised him for being a good man.”
- World Journal, page A2, Saturday August 2nd 2008
“RCMP announced Friday morning that they have charged Vince Weiguang Li, 40, of Edmonton with second-degree murder. He is scheduled to appear at the Manitoba provincial court in Portage la Prairie. A Chinese Muslim, Li expressed to investigators that his actions were motivated by the Koran.”
- CBC News, August 1st, 2008
August 4th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
I am not sure why there is such a large discussion on religion on here??? This is a crazy man regardless if he is muslim/christian/hindu etc… furthermore I agree with greg-arif and islam prohibits any acto of murder/terror and it is clearly stated in the Quran–i mean come on? look at all the murders alone in the city of toronto- all the times that the assailant was caught how many of them had muslim names? a handful probably because the moment that it is any kind of middle-eastern sounding name the media picks up on it and immediately it is a “a muslim has killed…” but when ‘joe smith’ gets caught do you hear “a christian has killed…”? stop the on going arguing all major three religions have many similarities are also built on the same foundations, but two of them are ignorant to this fact and refuse to see the similarities (i’ll let you guess which 2)- this vince li is not a muslim or christian he is a crazy man that acted on his own behalf, because any person that can commit such a crime cannot believe in God
August 4th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Canada being a true multi-cultural country has a surprisingly very good handle on it’s in house violent attacks. We have, probably every nationality living under one roof, one set of laws. The way we run our country seems to be working for us… at least in regards to violent, racial, ethnic out bursts. Don’t get me wrong there are issues between french, english and native but with such a mix of different religions, beliefs, rituals etc. you’d think there would be a huge battle for “who is better/right” I say this because people have mentioned that “Canada needs to change” “get new laws” Yes each country should evolve but why should Canada become like other countries? why should we adopt other peoples laws? are these laws that other countries are using working for them? (death penalty) violence begets violence. I believe that the death penalty says “it’s okay to kill sometimes” is it really? What is the right way to deal with the murder and the murderer? I don’t have the answer but I trust that my country and its laws will continue to keep my country safe… safe enough that I don’t need to carry a gun, look over my shoulder or even lock my door when I run to the store. Before someone comments that I live in a cave or igloo, I live in a capitol city, I am educated with a masters degree, I am well traveled and cultured, so I’ve seen enough to make an educated comment. My heart goes out too all that are affected by this horrific crime. thanks for reading.
August 4th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Those who know Li? You mean his Pastor from the Baptist church who is offering assitance to Li and to the Mclean family? I’d have to say the pastor is really trying to help and I tip my hat off to those people. Listen, all i can say from here on is the ignorance is bliss, and stupidity sells. The man is crazy, no religion or culture or nationality to blame. I am done with this topic, like saying all Germans are Nazi’s, all unsuccessful Japanese are suicidal comicozi’s, etc etc…where does this stop. People are responsible for their own actions, lets just leave it there, drop the stereo typing.
August 4th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
“this vince li is not a muslim or christian he is a crazy man that acted on his own behalf, because any person that can commit such a crime cannot believe in God”
Your statement goes against about 15,000 years of Human history. Humans can commit all sorts of crimes – a great many in the name of religion. He was disturbed, he is a product of his environment. If he did, in fact, make statements that he committed the crime and was inspired by the Koran, then he found his moral justification. It’s not any different than what’s currently going on in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran or elsewhere.
August 5th, 2008 at 1:02 am
Greg Arif, I hardly live in a cave, Los Angeles is hardly a cave. I will say this, the few muslims I do know are not of the radical type. They are actually becoming more westernized and one is only acting for her parents sake. The question I ask you is, why do you wish to be part of something that has a faction that is not what you are trying to sell here. They are not peaceful, they are not happy to coexist. It is in your koran that speaks about Jihad, I did not make that up. By the way the movie Obsession does interview Muslims as well. And is hardly a hollywood fictional story. I am sure you did not watch the trailer as it does show the dirty laundry well. I am not sure whether you can buy it in Canada or not as you only have limited freedom of speech there. And I also ask if it is so open to discussion why did a group of muslim Canadians recently try and silence both Macleans magazine and the Canadian write MArk Steyn, they failed, but they legally tried. I feel that in say a christian church if a section of it was behaving in the same manner as many of your fundamentalists are that I would separate myself and my beliefs from them. I do agree that many in the middle east are not primitive throwbacks, but many are. And many of the reasons they are so barbaric is the muslim religion is not a progressive religion, it is like living 1000 years ago. Not giving women rights is my biggest issue. My wife is an amazing person, and that would not have been had she have been a muslim. To stave off attacks, I am Canadian, one of my children is, my wife is as well, we left Canada many years ago.
August 5th, 2008 at 1:36 am
so what your saying is that he is crazy right? So how does a Christian person suddenly performs an act of stabbing/decapatation and then canabolism and them says in the name of God from the koran? Yikes, I think this topic hit the never ending circle. Like I originally said, always comes back to Muslims, which Li was not, he is crazy, no crazy person has it in their mental capacity to follow any religion. By the way we’re in Canada and Li was from China, you’re going no where with this. i asked for people to stop stereo typing but i guess it’s too easy to blame it on something to try to make sense of this crazy world. Don’t forget i study Islam so you’re trying to tell me something in speculation rather than through actual studies. I see where your coming from, i really do, hollywood played out Muslims as terrorists in nearly all movies related to the middle east next to any commies trying to Nuke America. Religion does not teach hate or killing, man takes care of that. One easy example is Hitler managed to convince almost all Germans that the jews are evil and must be cleansed therefor it is in our history as many famous leaders have managed to convince masses of strange and cruel acts for power and land.
I would never condone to any innocent person being slaughtered like poor Tim Mclean and Li should never be allowed out into society ever. No Religion is responsilble in this matter or any just because some crazed person cries it out, like in a video game!
August 5th, 2008 at 5:17 am
I have been reading more about the CBC report and the following removal of Vincent Li telling RCMP he was a muslim and this was motivated by the Koran. Not that I agree wholeheartedly with mister Arif, but until I see further news reports all I have are some blog reports on it, not exactly fact at this point. I am sure we will hear more in the coming weeks, probably not thanks to the CBC but the stories will come. I know the CBC is state controlled and so it is in their best interests to filter their reports to the masses of Canada. And after the issue at Macleans with the BC human rights commision there are some gunshy journalists there in regards to reporting on anything to do with Islam. Not to mention the threats on their lives by muslim nutters… Anyhow here is the common quote that was supposedly put up by the cbc last week, and later sanitized out of their report. I am looking to find the screen capture of it, rumor is it is out there…
Canadian Broadcasting Corporation at one point said the following:
“RCMP announced Friday morning that they have charged Vince Weiguang Li, 40, of Edmonton with second-degree murder. He is scheduled to appear at the Manitoba provincial court in Portage la Prairie. A Chinese Muslim, Li expressed to investigators that his actions were motivated by the Koran.”
August 5th, 2008 at 5:51 am
wow…this is really going no where. I said read for yourself and it answers this since you will not believe through my words that this conflicts with all religions under God. The Qu’ran (not the coles bookstore version Koran) has nothing written in this Holy book to address any actions like what a sick psycho like Li could have done regardless if he announced that he was Muslim or Hindu or satanic or whatever….come on, guy is crazy, point closed. So if you wish to stick to your thoughts and believe all Muslims are secretly planning something against the world and that everyone that does not think like you must be crazy then I must say I’m not in your world, enjoy the small world your in, even in L.A.
August 5th, 2008 at 6:35 am
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Greg-Arif Says:
August 4th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Like I originally said, always comes back to Muslims, which Li was not, he is crazy, no crazy person has it in their mental capacity to follow any religion.”
Greg-Arif,
No, it doesn’t always come back to Muslims, but we didn’t really used to have beheadings in North America over the past few decades. It wasn’t done, and if someone did, they were a nutjob.
I know, like many Muslims, you cannot accept that a tiny minority of Muslims are radical Islamists, and they have the support of about 15% of all Muslims worldwide.
I know that you will spontaneously reject the possibility that Li could be Muslim, even though Islam is a religion and knows no ethnic boundaries.
But let’s set aside Li for a second.
Until you (the moderate Muslims) get the radicals under control, and develop a liturgical interpretation of the Koran that makes the warlike passages metaphorical rather than literal, like the Judeo-Christian culture has, Islam will be a problem for everyone on this planet.
Islam is the only religion where mainstream ideology permits and encourages violence against unbelievers (and sometimes other Muslims, too).
Do you know that the Koran is non-linear, and older passages abrogate earlier ones? That Mohammed himself assisted in beheading hundreds? That Mohamed used Islam to codify his dislike for Jews? That Mohammed had sex with female children at ages as young as 9? In the West we call that child abuse and paedophilia. Moses didn’t do this. Jesus didn’t do this. Ghandhi, Buddha, Krishna. None of the other prophets had sex with children.
Islam is still in the 7th Century.
Get your religion fixed.
August 5th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
lee,
so is it fair to say that all catholic priests are homosexual pedophiles? do you know the number of them that have been outed in the recent years? i don’t think it is fair to say this nor do i think it is fair to say 15% of all muslims support terrorism- did you take the poll yourself or did cnn do it for you? how come nothing negative has been said on behalf of christianity or judiasm (which i don’t want to say)- but close-minded individuals such as yourself are bashing islam? i don’t think you have any right to make judgements on any religion until you have studied them, and it seems that you have not even come close to studying islam– i recommend you either study it and speak for yourself and not regurgitate someone else’ fibs– have you ever heard of the telephone game you know children play it where they whisper something from one to another until at the end the last child has something completely different than how it started? well that seems to be the problem with society– they believe hearsay and are so quick to pass judgement on millions of people worldwide for mistakes and actions commited by a handful– if that is the case then let us bring every religion’s dirty laundry to the table, not just one– religion does not promote hate, people do- and it seems people such as yourself is a prime example…also if you or one of the other readers want to discuss massacres- then what about the recent count of 600,000+ iraq civilian death toll? is it right for me to say all americans are bad? i don’t think so…finally ghandi, budha, and krishna were not messengers of god and unless you lived in the times of our prophets than you should keep your mouth closed regarding their actions- especially ones that are falsified
August 5th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Lee,
I would have to say that your information sounds similar to the crap that the Dutch were saying when trying to defend their hate cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad, sounds alot like propaganda. These actions you speak of go strictly against the teaching of Islam and the Prophet Mohammads’ guidance. I can see how some may try to interpret marrying young girls because back in those days up until the last 100 years men married women when the reached puberty and yes even here in North America…scary as it may be but recently in the USA they just busted a colony of Mormens that have children as wives…see what I’m saying all alone here all this cannot compare to the world, and in the Qur’an the entire universe is whole and is to be treated with respect.
I can see why many non-believers can think so negatively about Islam, because the media assisted with adding Islam and Muslim to everyday news immediately after 9/11. Have you checked out Loose Change 911, documentary from a non Muslim American? Worth looking into. I only spoke up because I see islam bashed everywhere I go and it sickens me and I get fed up with the feable mindedness and want to speak up and say stop, don’t be so fearful or hateful and try to understand. Before America decided to go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan the US assisted, trained and funded the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden to drive the Russians out of Afghanistan, in Iraq the US did the same for Suddam to drive the Kurds (PKK terrorists) out of Iraq until the world stepped up to say stop. When the Serbs started slaughtering the Bosnian Muslims how long did it pass before the US assisted with stopping the massacre? Does this mean all Serbs are evil navi’s? NO, I have Serbian friends, non- Muslims that are no where near that kind of people. labels are dangerous, stereo typing and hate literature is so backwards in time it gets you no where.
I do expect people to convert to Islam or any religion but to at least question it and seek truth instead of labelling. I feel like Al Pacino in Godfather 3 “Right when I thought I was out, they pull me back in”. If you have any more questions I urge you to read a Qur’an from a legimate Islamic store and not the Koran found in paperback novel, i read that one too, scary, translated incorrectly by non-Muslims, easy to scare off any person seeking information.
Peace to you all, respect and love. Condolences to the Mclean family once again, should not have happened period.
August 5th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Quick corrections….I meant to type I DO NOT expect people to convert to Islam or any religion. Apologise, just a type-o
August 5th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
yes Rose there was a stud done, and 15 percent felt sympathetic to the islamofascist cause. Also Loose Change is a conspraicy theory movie. Nothing factual in there. The muslim faith wants to take us back to a more barbaric time. Listen Greg Arif, I can honestly say I would defend my way of life for my children so your faith will not be taking over any time soon. Wishful thinking, but there are many people who don’t agree with stripping women of the rights they fought to gain, and only shortly ago received them. Anyhow I think this thread has been hijacked enough by you and your pushing ISlam and its peace. I wear a shirt with the dutch cartoon on it, and what you are going to do about it? God Bless Tim and his family. I can say with certainty he would be offended to know you were here pushing Islam into a discussion on his death and the person who did it. As far as it goes now, the CBC said it, and it will be coming out further. I would say take your Islam and go somewhere else. You have said enough….
August 5th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Read about loose change the “documentary” here at snopes, you can also read about other fake interent “real stories”, or true ones…
http://msgboard.snopes.com/message/ultimatebb.php?/ubb/get_topic/f/43/t/001074/p/1.html
August 5th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Bruce, can you please stop that. Becides, there was a beheading in Greece where some idiot cut off his girlfriends head. Plus we had a beheading here in Australia in brisbane, and it was a white man who cut off the victims head and used it as a football. I think the cops either gunned him down or shocked him unconsious with Tazer guns.
Anyhow, getting back to Vince.
This is what will happen to him in jail, in the showers….(following is taken from that “boondocks” show)
*Vince is showering with the other inmates, and the soap slips from his hands and he tries to catch it screaming “nooooooooooooo!” its slips from his hands again and slides along the floor to the drain, the other inmates turn and laugh and jeer, Vince freaks out and cries when suddenly he feels a powerfull hand slap onto his shoulder*
Inmate: “Soap drop nigga!”
(vince gulps in fright and looks around, there is a 7 foot tall muscular african american inmate)
Inmate : “Oh you think you just gonna leave it down there, huh?”
Vince: (VERY timidly) “No…”
Inmate: “We don’t waste no motherfucking soap in here”
Vince: “I’m..I’m finished!”
Inmate: “Finished? Naw, naw nigga. You haven’t finished. I’ve been watchin’”
Vince: “You have?”
Inmate: “You haven’t washed behind your ears or nothin’”
Vince: “But I did..”
Inmate: “Look at me. See how I’m all cleaned, glisten and shit. (Vince looks at the man, he has a 30″ cock that hangs down past his knees) That’s hygiene nigga. You can call me the health inspector. Now pick up the soap!!”
*Vince reluctantly bends over to get the soap, and a omminous grin appears on the ‘health inspectors’ face. Other inmates laugh and cheer and say “Pray, baby, pray! I’m next”, and then…..Vince is butt-raped*
August 5th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
I can’t believe people drag Islam in to all of this. Even if he was a Muslim terrorist would he go and eat the flesh of a human? In what kind of attack by Muslims did the attackers go and start eating the flesh of the victims? He was a fucked up individual that’s for sure but this has nothing to do with politics nor religion but everything with a psychotic human being who should have been in an institution.
August 5th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
He used to work at a church? What kind of Muslim works at a church. So if I was a xenophobe (like some of you apparently are) I would probably say something about Christianity now but I don’t think him working at a church had anything to do with stabbing,beheading and eating a freaking human being so I won’t. I don’t even know if there is a solution in preventing these kind of things happening.Living in a police state for me anyway is not an option.
“A man who witnesses said stabbed, beheaded and cannibalized a fellow traveler on a Greyhound bus immigrated to Canada from China four years ago and worked for a time as a church custodian, the pastor who employed him said.
Grant Memorial Church Pastor Tom Castor, who helped hire Vince Weiguang Li soon after he immigrated in 2004, said the man never showed any sign of anger or emotional problems.”
August 5th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO7-QJGVdM4
Vince’s fate.
August 6th, 2008 at 1:37 am
“He used to work at a church? What kind of Muslim works at a church.”
I am guessing there are many who work in the cleaning field, do you know how many do or do not? And while you are on it, find out what kind of person works in a church and beheads another human being?
August 7th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Yes, this was a disgusting crime, but blaming it on Canada isn’t the right thing to do.
Our justice system happens to believe more in rehabilitation than revenge. Many groups and classes I’ve come across throughout my lifetime have had heated discussions about the death penalty and rehab in jail, and not all of us agree with the laws the way they are.
If you think about it for a while, the death penalty can be an easy out for criminals – they simply get “put down” with an injection and drift away. The people they harmed had no peaceful death.
Death = Justice?
And for those of you who haven’t heard of disgusting Canadian crimes before, consider these names: Carla Homolka, Paul Bernardo, David Shearing, Clifford Olson.
Those are just four of the HUNDREDS of sickos in Canada, and they hurt more than just one person or family.
Awful crimes happen in Canada all the time, now the media is just picking on immigrants and religion as a way to sell stories. Way to go, corporate crap.
I feel bad for Tim’s family, think about all of the stories and details posted on the net and splashed all over papers that they probably look at every day.
Oh, and, there’s NO WAY that anyone who committed this crime will be released back into public in less than 10 years.
That’s bullshit.
August 7th, 2008 at 11:06 am
Molly, it is Karla Homolka with a K, or was. And she was out in 12 and lives under a new name, and has a child, and is free living in the bahamas. Can’t say that for any of her victims. And Canadian justice did that. And lets not forget the pig farm killer on that list, Robert Pickton…Anyhow don’t be lulled into thinking your government will protect you, they are too soft, they have let child molesters out knowing they will commit the same crime again. They are more concerned with the perp than the victims. So that is why I support the death penalty, they will never be set free by some sappy liberal thinking “oh well they have done their time”. Murder stats show the death penalty did decrease the crime of murder. Mexico is now thinking of bringing it in for the first time ever. People like you are foolish, telling people how victims must feel, or assuming they would not want to to see the victim killed. We are all not flowers and sugar. fine if the perp that harms you or your family and you wish to opine not kill them, then that is up to you. I think this guy should be killed for sure. What good does it do to keep him alive at tax payers expense. Answer that?
August 10th, 2008 at 6:55 am
Vince Li was in a psychiatric hospital for 4 days. You can be sure he was PDHed (given pain, drugs, hypnosis). No further discussion, really. Psychiatry is a dangerous fraud, funded by Medicare, supported by fundraising. Was he given electroconvulsive shock therapy, insulin shock, a brain operation, anti-psychotic drugs…? Somebody please investigate and report to the world. Toronto Western Hospital is expanding its DBS – deep brain stimulation – to 200 people, from 50. This is an implant which delivers 24 hour electric current to the brain. They are frauds and a lethal dangerous element to our safety. They are creating killers. Please do something about it. Check out Citizens Commission on Human Rights. Watch “Psychiatry – Industry of Death”. Please help our poor failing culture. Eradicate the psychs. Put Li’s psychiatrist on trial for second degree murder, too!!!
February 15th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
@ katherine
lol scientologists
June 30th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
anothe Pc gone mad case..
July 9th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
The killer’s ethnicity has EVERYTHING to do with it – unless you’re an insane bleeding heart liberal, who is incapable of understanding STATISTICAL LIKELIHOOD.
For example, Vince Li no doubt came from some backwards hellhole in China (or wherever it was) where everybody happily tortured animals to death, so that they could eat them, thus explaining his ability to even commit the atrocities he did, let alone want to do them.
His ‘God told me to do it’ bullshit excuse is sickening, but more sickening because some so-called ‘experts’ BELIEVED this bullcrap, and have let him get away with his crimes. He is in a ’secure unit’ and will be ‘reassessed’ in ONE YEAR. Meaning some dumbass ‘experts’ are just waiting to LET HIM OUT as soon as possible, so they can show how they’ve ’succeeded’ in ‘rehabilitating’ this piece of human shit.
He should have been thrown to lions in a public arena, for the family members to watch.
There is no such thing as ‘mental illness’, he CHOSE to do what he did. Canada is now filling up with all the scum of the Earth – meaning all the non-white parasites who can get there. But let’s just pretend that ‘we’re all the same’ and that race has nothing to do with culture or how successful and safe a society is. The scum in the Canadian tyrannous government will all get their just desserts when the country they have actively destroyed descends into full blown civil war.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
“Even if he was a Muslim terrorist would he go and eat the flesh of a human? In what kind of attack by Muslims did the attackers go and start eating the flesh of the victims?”
Try reading http://www.prophetofdoom.net, you dhimmi idiot…