Josef Fritzl, Rosemarie Fritzl, Elizabeth Fritzl, Kerstin Fritzl & Fritzl family
By Clarencia Cynrae on May 4th, 2008This story started on April 26 and moved beyond as investigators spoke to more people. Elizabeth Fritzl was rescued at the hospital on April 26 when the medical staff and police assured Elizabeth Fritzl that she would not ever have to return to her father’s, Josef Fritzl’s, house again.
Josef Fritzl’s lodger, Joseph Leitner, suspected somethings were wrong when he switched off his electricity and yet his power bill kept running up.
Joseph Leitner moved into Josef Fritzl’s house in 1990. Joseph Leitner is now 42 in 2008. Joseph Leitner’s dog barked at the door to the cellar. Joseph Leitner’s friend knew Elizabeth Fritzl at school. Elizabeth Fritzl had told the girl friend that she was raped by her father. Then Elizabeth Fritzl disappeared from school and everywhere else. Joseph Leitner said he was afraid of being evicted if he got involved so he kept mum about his suspicions. One day, when Josef Fritzl saw his tenant’s dog Sam barking at the cellar’s door, he evicted him. Josef Fritzl changed the locks and locked him out.
Elizabeth Fritzl had ran away to Vienna in 1983. Elizabeth Fritzl was 17 then. Elizabeth Fritzl was found by police and brought back home. Within 12 months, Elizabeth Fritzl had disappeared. Elizabeth Fritzl was known by her close friends as Sissi, her nickname.
Photo taken seven years ago at Joseph Fritzl’s favourite restaurant Bratwurstglöckerl in Linz, Austria. Around 2000 - 2001.
Elizabeth Fritzl was lured into the cellar. Elizabeth Fritzl was drugged, chained and kept captive in the basement by Josef Fritzl, her very own biological father.
Elizabeth Fritzl was raped and made pregnant 7 times by Josef Fritzl. Elizabeth Fritzl’s mother, Rosemarie Fritzl claimed that she did not know thatElizabeth Fritzl was raped by her husband Josef Fritzl. Rosemarie Fritzl also bore her husband, Josef Fritzl, 7 children.
Josef Fritzl’s house had several tenants. The tenants had seen Josef Fritzl ferrying a wheelbarrow of food into the cellar. Josef Fritzl was usually seen pushing the wheel barrow many times. Josef Fritzl usually fetched food at 10 or 11 pm at night. Where did all the food disappear to? Nobody dared to question Josef Fritzl. Josef Fritzl was free to do as he wished.
Josef Fritzl did not sleep in his own bed in the house. Josef Fritzl often spent his nights downstairs. Josef Fritzl told his wife, Rosemarie Fritzl, that he was busy designing or building his machines. Rosemarie Fritzl alleged that she never suspecetd anything was amiss.
Josef Fritzl told her that Elizabeth Fritzl had run away. He brought back into the main house a few of Elizabeth Fritzl’s babies that he fathered with his own daughter. He lied to everyone. He said that Elizabeth Fritzl had left them at his doorstep. It was unknown how he selected the babies to be brought up in the normal way upstairs.
A neighbor said that Josef Fritzl showed that he was afraid of the police.
Josef Fritzl ’s 6 children grew up and left Josef Fritzl’s house. Police interviewed the Fritzl kids and discovered that Josef Fritzl was a tyrant who was very strict with all his kids. Only one son out of the 7 children remained with Josef Fritzl. That was because Alexander Fritzl was slow in the head. Josef Fritzl kept Alexander Fritzl as his errand boy. Alexander Fritzl was forced to work for his Dad Josef Fritzl like a slave. Alexander Fritzl was powerless to know better or do anything about his situation because he was mentally challenged.
Josef Fritzl is 78 now in 2008 and his wife Rosemarie Fritzl is 68 in 2008. Elizabeth Fritzl is 42 now in 2008.
In 24 years, Josef Fritzl fathered Kersten, 19, Stefan, 18, Lisa, 16, Monika, 15, Alexander, 12 (whose twin died soon after birth) and Felix, five. The baby who died at birth had his body incinerated in the garden.
Over the years, Josef Fritzl extended the cellar by excavating out more rooms. Josef Fritzl’s cellar rooms had no sunlight nor fresh air. All rooms had locked doors that were remote controlled.
It was funny that although people saw Josef Fritzl pushing his wheel barrows of dirt out of the cellar, nobody questioned him. It seemed Josef Fritzl was so unfriendly that people left him alone.
Austrian police reopened the inquiry into the murder of 17-year-old Anna Neumayr in 1966. Police want to test DNA for links to the crime.Elisabeth Fritzl has visited daughter Kerstin, 19, who is seriously ill in hospital. Kerstin Fritzl suffered from oxygen deprivation illness.
Elisabeth Fritzl as a young teen.
Elizabeth Fritzl and her children were cared for in a psychiatric hospital. They are in rehab to adapt to modern life.
Josef Fritzl was arrested and imprisoned. Josef Fritzl spent his time in his cell watching TV. Josef Fritzl watches himself, Josef Fritzl, on TV news and other programs.
Josef Fritzl was arrested last weekend around the 26-27 April 2008 and his news on TV started around then.
Josef Fritzl’s Austria cellar bathroom.
Josef Fritzl’s mug shot after his arrest.
Elizabeth Fritzl’s 3 children who were imprisoned in the cellar were afraid of the blue color, rustling leaves and the ringing tones of the cell phones of the hospital staff. One boy, Felix, was awe struck when he saw the moon for the first time in his life.
The cellar rooms had a maximum height of 5 ft 6 in. One boy, Stefan, had problems learning coordination and balancing.
Kerstin Fritzl, 19, and her brothers Stefan, 18, and Felix, five, have been alone in the cellar for so long that they developed their own type of communication via growls, grunts and animal like sounds. Elizabeth Fritzl had treid to teach them and let them have a normal life in the cellar.
The Fritzl children love to play and mix with others in the hospital. The Fritzls love the hospital food.
Elizabeth Fritzl at 42. This is the artist’s impression of what Elizabeth Fritzl looks like at 42.
Josef Fritzl has been investigated since his arrest. Josef Fritzl & his family faced financial ruin because of Josef Fritzl’s failed businesses. Josef Fritzl borrowed using bank loans. Officials said he owed more than $3 million. Josef Fritzl’s family needs health care and education care. The Josef Fritzl family needs are estimated to be around $1.4 million.
In Austria, a fund was set up for the Josef Fritzl children. Natasha Kampusch, a fellow Austrian, was also a victim of a kidnap and captive case for 8 years. She has donated money. Natasha Kampusch donated 25,000 euros. Dr Udo Jesionek, a spokesman for the victim support agency White Ring, predicted that Elizabeth Fritzl and her children would need therapy for about 8 years. Elisabeth Fritzl, Stefan Fritzl and Felix Fritzl are treated at the Amstetten-Mauer clinic.
Josef Fritzl on holiday in Thailand.
Elizabeth Fritzel told the story of how she was sexually abused by her father since she was 11 years old. That was why she ran away once. When she wanted to run away again, Josef Fritzl planned ahead of her and imprisoned her in the cellar.
Elizabeth Fritzl used all her might to scream, bang on the door, walls and made as much noise as she could but no one came to rescue her. After some time, she resigned herself to her fate. Indeed some tenants of the hosue recalled hearing strange sounds from the cellar but no one could investigate.
Josef Fritzl had banned every one from entering the cellar.
They dragged a heavy 600 lb stone and steel block to block the cellar’s door to turn it into a dungeon. For the first 9 years, she was kept in a box like room that was 15 ft by 15 ft. It had a toilet in a corner.
Elizabeth Fritzl was forced to dig through the cellar by hand. That was how Josef Fritzl managed to expand his cellar by the work of his prisoner. After two children were born, Josef Fritzl agreed to expand the cellar.
Some areas looked like they were under construction. Josef Fritzl was planning to extend the dungeon. This was contrary to some rumors that said Josef Fritzl was planning to release Elizabeth Fritzl before he was arrested.
The air inside the cellar was very bad. Investigators could not breathe. They had to drill holes for ventilation. Indeed the eldest child, Kerstin Fritzl, was suffering from oxygen deprivation and subsequent diseases like multiple organ failure. Kerstin Fritzl has remained in the intensive care ward of the hospital since the day she arrived there.
Elizabeth Fritzl had to carry Kerstin Fritzl upstairs into the car for Josef Fritzl to send her to hospital. Kerstin was so light that she weighed only 50 kg or 100 pounds. It was the first time in 24 years that Elizabeth Fritzl had seen sunlight. Elizabeth Fritzl said her eyes were blinded by sunlight. She had to adjust her eyes.
When Elizabeth Fritzl watched TV. She saw that the hospital appealed for Kerstin Fritzl’s mother to trun up at the hospital, she argued her case with her father Josef Fritzl. Elizabeth Fritzl managed to win against Josef Fritzl after so many years of quiet servitude. Elizabeth Fritzl was allowed to visit Kerstin Fritzl and speak to the staff.
Elizabeth Fritzl ’s first interview with the police took 2 hours. The police wrote 8 pages of notes on A4 sized paper. Elizabeth Fritzl had difficulties expressing herself after 24 years in captivity. She had to think before her verbal expressions. Trauma and stress showed on Elizabeth Fritzl’s face.
Josef Fritzl’s lawyer said that his client, Josef Fritzl, would plead insanity. That could mean that Josef Fritzl would escape from severe punishment. The maximum term of imprisonment in Austria is 15 years. If the prisoner showed good behavior, that could mean only 10 years of jail.
When Rosemarie Fritzl went away on vacations, she left left Elizabeth Fritzl at home with her father, Josef Fritzl. Rosemarie Fritzl took her teen daughters Rosemarie Jnr and Ulrike for a vacation toItaly in the mid-1970s. Elizabeth Fritzl was about 10 years old then.
Rosemarie Jnr Fritzl and Ulrike Fritzl:
Elizabeth Fritzl’s sisters, Rosemarie Jnr Fritzl and Ulrike Fritzl, enjoyed shopping while on holiday in the Mediterranean. Elizabeth Fritzl had abuse from Josef Fritzl at the age of 11. It was a strak contrast in the Fritzl sisters’ lives.
Elisabeth’s 2nd oldest sister Ulrike Fritzl and mother Rosemarie Fritzl.
Paul Hoera, an old family friend of the Fritzls, told German newspaper Bild that Elizabeth Fritzl was shown strict discipline by Josef Fritzl. Elizabeth Fritz used to get a slap for every small mistake. He said that he felt sick thinking about how Elizabeth Frizl was imprisoned down below the garden when he and the others laughed and joked around unknowingly. Paul Hoera was told by Josef Fritzl that Elizabeth Fritzl had joined a sect or cult and left home.
Rosemarie Jnr Fritzl (standing) and Ulrike Fritzl (sitting):
Ulrike Fritzl sunbathed:
Elisabeth Fritzl had two other sisters Gabriele Frtzl and Doris Fritzl and two brothers Josef Jnr Fritzl and Harald Fritzl.
Josef Fritzl’s lawyer, Rudolf Maye, said that experts will examine Josef Fritzl and determine if he is mentally fit and psychologically sound to stand trial. Rudolf Maye would fight to say that Josef Fritzl was insane and can not be held responsible for the offences. Then, Josef Fritzl might get into a psychiatric institution instead of the prison.
Elizabeth Fritzl & Josef Fritzl during younger days.
This news, updated on May 5, said that Kerstin Fritzl’s condition has stabilized. Kerstin Fritzl was kept in an artificial coma to aid her breathing process.
The police found out more details about Josef Fritzl’s cellar. Josef Friztl installed 8 doors between the dungeon and the outside world. All doors had conventional locks. Three doors had electronic locks.
After Elizabeth Fritzl had Kerstin, Stefan, Lisa and Monika, her prison was expanded.
Police suspect that Josef ritzl might have abused sexually Kerstin Fritzl too. However, Kerstin Fritzl is too ill to be examined.
Elizabeth Fritzl, her mother Rosemarie Fritzl and her 5 children are mixing together.
Rosemarie Fritzl’s sister, named only as Christine R, said that they all believed Josef Fritzl when he said that Elizabeth Fritzl had run away.
Police believe that Rosemarie Fritzl was innocent and had not participated in her husband’s acts against daughter, Elizabeth Fritzl.
Cases against Josef Fritzl:
Christine R said Josef Fritzl was jailed in 1967 for one year and half year for a rape offence.
On Saturday Ma y3 2008, the Oberoesterreichische Nachrichten daily printed a news excerpt. It was a 1967 court record found in the state archives in Linz. It said a Josef F. was accused of breaking into the apartment of a 24-year-old nurse and raping her. Police would be digging up the old court records on this.
Kerstin Fritzl could be suffering from some form of auto-immune failure believed to result from her inbreeding. She had multiple organ failure.
A woman came forward to tell police that she was sure she was raped by Josef Fritzl in September 1967. She was 20 years old then. She was then too humiliated to report her rape.
Police are reviewing 64 old missing person cases. Martina Posch, 17 was killed in Mondsee, a scenic lakeside resort where Fritzl then owned a holiday lodge. Josef Fritzl had an alibi for the day in November 1986 when Martina Posch was found dead in the lake. Josef Fritzl’s close friend Andrea Schmitt said that her husband (Schmitt?) was staying there at the time - Josef Fritzl was there too.
The Fritzls’ neighbour, Alfred Dubanovsky, said he saw Rosemarie Fritzl helping her husband to stash wheelbarrows laden with food inside the cellar.
Christa Woldrich, Elizabeth Fritzl’s friend at school, saw how Elizabeth changed. She thought Josef Fritzl was responsible. Elizabeth Fritzl was withdrawn at school.
It was thought that Josef Fritzl was attracted to his daughter Elizabeth Fritzl because she was the prettiest daughter in the Fritzl family. The other children escaped by marriage and coming of age but Elizabeth Fritzl had to work at her father’s holiday chalet and restaurant.
When Josef Fritzl went on holiday, he bought skimpy attire and sex lingerie which were clearly sizes too small for his wife, Rosemarie Fritzl. He told someone that he had a young bit on the side.
Elizabeth Fritzl had aged and her father lost his attraction for her. Josef Fritzl could have planned for her dramatic return to the normal world so he allowed her to go to the hospital to visit Kerstin Fritzl for the first time.
This was Elizabeth Fritzl at the age of 15, 3 years befroe her father Josef Fritzl imprisoned her.
Police now suspect that Josef Fritzl may have used his eldest grandchild and child he fathered with daughter Elizabeth, to become his newest sex slave. Police would have to wait for the signal from Kerstin’s doctor to determine if she was strong enough for questioning. Currently, she is in a state of induced coma because her lung infection made it hard for her to breathe. The coma would assist her breathing.
Police suspected that since Elizabeh Fritzl had aged prematurely with white hair and in other physical ways, she was no longer attractive to her father Josef Fritzl so he made plans to release her. The police said that Josef Fritzl could have meant to hold on to Kerstin to use as his sex slave.
Josef Fritzl has been cautioned by his lawyer not to speak any farther. The lawyer insisted that his client Josef Fritzl had a mental disorder because he would not have done such extreme things like kidnap, incest, rape, imprisonment and serious crimes against his own flesh and blood.
The Fritzl children fund has hundreds of thousand of pounds from donations. The Austrian government has agreed to give £47,000 in back-dated child maintenance payments.
None of Elizabeth Fritzl’s children had education. The money would go towards medical, therapy, health and other needs. Austrian celebrities and politicians have set examples by donating to the fund.
The Clinic head, Berthold Kepplinger, said that all the Fritzl children have problems that need to be resolved by experts slowly. Last Monday, May 5, it was Alex’s birthday and he was given presents.
Two days later, it was Felix’s birthday and he had a cake with 6 candles.
Among the famous donors to the fund for Elizabeth Fritzl and her 6 children were:
teenage kidnap victim Natasha Kampusch,
far right politician Joerg Haider,
Austrian football team boss Josef Hickersberger.
When Elizabeth Fritzl needed sanitary items or when one child needed toiletries, Josef Fritzl did not buy them at his local shops because he was afraid of tongue wagging and gossip. Why is an old man like him buying sanitary items? People who knew Josef Fritzl would also know that his wife Rosemarie Fritzl was old and would no longer need sanitary items.
Josef Fritzl was meticulous and thought of everything. He would order Elizabeth to write letters so that he would mail them to himself at his house address. He mailed them to his wife to allay suspicions that Elizabeth had some troubles. Since Elizabeth was sending mail, nobody suspected that she was dead or kidnapped.
Christoph Flugel worked for six years at theVilla Ostende in Linz, 40 miles from Amstetten, where Josef Fritzl lived. It was a nightclub and brothel. Christoph Flugel remembered Josef Fritzl. Christoph Flugel said Josef Fritzl was a stingy man. Josef Fritzl paid and expected change in return, without leaving anything for tipping. The call girls did not like Josef Fritzl. Some who had experienced Josef Fritzl, refused to service him. The hookers were changed once every 10 weeks so Josef Fritzl would always return to look at the new hookers.
Josef Fritzl was neat in appearance and courteous in behavior. However, when he was alone with a call girl, his behavior changed. He was demanding. He either gave pain or wanted the hooker to play dead.
Christoph Flugel said that 95% of a hen house customers were normal, 3% were weird and 2% were mentally ill. Christoph Flugel classified Josef Fritzl as the remaining 2%. Prostitution is legal in Austria.
Villa Ostende brothel in the city of Linz, 40 miles from Amstetten.
A room inside the Villa Ostende brothel in the city of Linz, 40 miles from Amstetten.
Josef Fritzl may have used one of these rooms or even this room during his numerous occasions there.
Josef Fritzl has asked his lawyer to leak to the press about his side of the story. Josef Fritzl wants sympathy. Josef Fritzl said that he was not a monster. Josef Fritzl said that he could have killed them (meaning Elizabeth Fritzl and her children) but he did not.
Josef Fritzl is afraid to leave his prison cell because the other inmates have zero tolerance for sexual predators. Josef Fritzl is a marked man as the others seek vengeance upon him. Josef Fritzl has instructed his lawyer, Rudolf Mayer, to build up his reputation. Presently, Rudolf Mayer, the police and prison officials were the only ones with access to Josef Fritzl.
Josef Fritzl shares his jail cell with a violent robber who is awaiting trial.
Germany’s Bild newspaper quoted prison sources. Josef Fritzl felt that the reporting of his case has been unfair. Bild said that Josef Fritzl had no regrets about what he had done. Instead of feeling remorseful, Josef Fritzl felt that he had saved Kerstin’s life by calling for the emergency service and bringing her to hospital. Kerstin Fritzl was in hospital since April 19 2008.
Josef Fritzl tried to justify his actions. Josef Fritzl said that he could nhave killed all of them and nobody would have known. Instead, he is now suffering because he let Kerstin go to the hospital and then all his secrets became unravelled.
Paul Stocker, 65, an ex-builder, said he saw Josef Fritzl in the Caribik Club on Amstetten’s outskirts. Caribik Club is a swingers’ club where the couples exchanged partners and do other varieties of sex. Paul Stocker said that one day, he recognized Josef Fritzl and Rosemarie Fritzl, as they walked into the club.
Josef Fritzl was comfortable around there and spoke to another couple. Rosemarie Fritzl was uncomfortable and stood alone awkwardly. After Josef Fritzl was satisfied, he took Rosemarie home.
This is the hospital where Elizabeth Fritzl and her children are staying to rehabilitate. It is the Landesklinikum clinic in Mauer.
The doctors predict 3-4 weeks of indoor therapy before introducing Elizabeth Fritzl, Stefan Fritzl and Feliz Fritzl to the outdoors. The medical team said the ex-prisoners have responded well to treatment. Initially, Elizabeth Fritzl had to wear sunglasses because her eyes could not get used to the natural light of day.
Now, doctors have said that the Fritzls’ skin have slowly turned darker. When the Fritzls were in the dark cellar, they had innsufficient light to make Vitamin D in their skins. Elizabeth Fritzl had asked her Dad Josef Fritzl for Vitamin D tablets and a tube of UV light. That was insufficient.
Stefan Fritzl walks with a stoop after years of walking around under the low ceiling of the dungeon. Feliz Fritzl can walk upright but sometimes, he prefers to crawl on all fours.
Sometimes, Stefan Fritzl and Felix Fritzl communicate in animal like sounds like grunts, growls, and noises when they are alone.
The doctors has re-constructed a prisoner like cell for the Fritzls to retreat into when they feel they need to. After years of captivity, they had strong attachments to their prison. They actually crave for it.
Feliz Fritzl spends his time holding onto the small soft toy his father and grandfather, Josef Fritzl gave him. Stefan Fritzl has been given a small aquarium to care for and aid his rehab into normal life. Josef Fritzl had given him an aquarium when he was underground. letting Stefan Fritzl and Feliz Fritzl have something familiar from their old cellar days was said to help them in the transition process to recovery.
Lisa Fritzl, 16, Monika Fritzl, 14, Alex Fritzl, 12, were removed from Elizabeth Fritzl after birth and Josef Fritzl brought them upstairs. Josef Fritzl raised them and adopted them formally. The authorities did not suspect anything. Rosemarie Fritzl believed Josef Fritzl when he said that Elizabeth Fritzl had abandoned the babies at the doorstep. Alex Fritzl’s twin brother, Michael Fritzl, died soon after birth.
This narrow passage had a few steps that led down to the dungeon.
Franz Polzer, the chief investigator of the Fritzl dungeaon, said that the walls would be broken down because they suspected that there were more rooms in the dungeon.
Austrian law minister, Maria Berger, expressed regret that they did not investigate Elizabeth Fritzl’s disappearance thoroughly 24 years ago. Many people took Josef Fritzl’s word at face value. People believed in Josef Fritzl and did not question him.
Since Josef Fritzl and Rosemarie Fritzl adopted Elizabeth’s kids, the social workers made 21 documented visits to them between 1993 - 2007. The report said that Josef Fritzl and Rosemarie Fritzl were loving and warm towards their children.
Elizabeth Fritzl’s letters:
Elizabeth Fritzl wrote some letters about a month before she was kidnapped and imprisoned by her father Josef Fritzl. The letters showed several aspects of the then 18 year old Elizabeth Fritzl. She wrote about clubbing, a boyfriend, socializing and everything typical of a teenaged girl.
The letters were addressed to a male friend. He kept them for the past 24 years and revealed them to a newspaper after her re-appearance into the world.
Elizabeth Fritzl wrote that she was looking for a job in a town nearby. She planned to relocate away from her family home. She asked her receiver to visit her as soon as she had a new place.
Elizabeth Fritzl described her new haircut.
Elizabeth Fritzl revealed her plan to leave home and move in with a sister but that never happened.
Josef Fritzl’s confessions while in jail:
Josef Fritzl wrote some notes for his lawyer. He desired the world to know that he was not a monster. Initially, he built the special cell for Elizabeth Fritzl to hold her there because he loved her. Then, after some months, he could not control his desire to have sex with Elizabeth.
Josef Fritzl revealed that he had incestuous desires for his mother after his mother left his father. Josef Fritzl described his own father as being irresponsible. He said his mother threw his father out of the house when he was 4 years old. He became the only man in the house. He said his mother was the best. She was the boss in the house. In short, she was the head of the household.
Josef Fritzl was asked by his lawyer if he had incestuous thoughts about his mother. Josef Fritzl thought long and hard before answering. Yes, he did but he was strong then and controlled his sexual urges.
Josef Fritzl was asked if his wife Rosemarie Fritzl resembled his mother. Josef Fritzl nitially answered no. Then he took back his answer and said maybe Rosemarie did have some similarities with his mother. Josef Fritzl said that Rosemarie Fritzl was a wonderful woman but she was weaker and more shy than his mother.
Josef Fritzl chose Rosemarie because he thought she was the kind that would mother many children for him. He desired his children to have company and not be the lonely child he was when he was a child.
Josef Fritzl desired to have a large family. Rosemarie Fritzl was loved by her husband Josef Fritzl all the while. Josef Fritzl maintained that he loved Rosemarie then and now. Josef Fritzl never lost his love for his wife.
Josef Fritzl refuted the claim that he was very strict to the point of being a tyrant at home. He said he emphaszed good behavior and respect. Josef Fritzl said that he belonged to the old school of thinking that respect and decorum were very important. Indeed, observers who knew the Fritzls said that the children were very obedient and more polite than other children.
Josef Fritzl denied that he had sex with his daughter Elizabeth Fritzl before she reached the age of puberty. He said that he only started having sexual intercourse with Elizabeth Fritzl after she reached puberty. He said that he was not the type to violate a girl before her puberty. He said he was not the type of pedophile to have sex with little children.
The door was very heavy with steel and concrete. It was opened by a motor and remote controlled device.
Josef Fritzl described how he furnished the cellar. There was a fridge, lights, electricity, bed, cooking ring, sink, toilet and everything that resembled a mini home.
Josef Fritzl kept out his wife, children and tenants because he told them that he had his files, documents and other work material there. Everybody listened to Josef Fritzl. Even when they knew that he was doing something inside the cellar, nobody would bother him.
Josef Fritzl explained that the cellar under the house belonged to him and nobody could ask him or interfere with this cellar.
Josef Fritzl justifies his decision to imprison Elizabeth Fritzl.
Josef Fritzl said that Elizabeth Fritzl hung out in bars. Elizabeth Fritzl became disobedient and stopped obeying her father. Josef Fritzl found a job for her as a trainee waitress but there were some days when Elizabeth Fritzl refused to check in for work.
Josef Fritzl said that when Elizabeth Fritzl ran away from home, he had to find her and bring her back. He created the dungeon to keep Elizabeth Fritzl away from bad influences.
On August 28, 1984, Josef Fritzl imprisoned Elizabeth Fritzl in the custom built dungeon. She stayed down for 8,516 days. Josef Fritzl denied Elizabeth Fritzl’s allegation that she was handcuffed and chained like a dog in the early days of her incarceration. Josef Fritzl said that the restraints were un-necessary as Elizabeth had no means of escaping anyway.
Josef Fritzl acknowledged that he got caught himself in a vicious circle. As time passed, he realized how tough it was to release Elizbeth Fritz. Josef Fritzl knew that his entire world would be changed because as people came to know about his crime against Elizabeth, he would face repercussions.
Josef Fritzl feared reprisals so much hat he delayed bringing Elizabeth up from the cellar. There came a time when he realized that it was too late to retrace his steps and reintroduce Elizabeth back into her old surroundings.
Josef Fritzl’s house in Anstetten in Austria:
Josef Fritzl said that his first concern upon Elizabeth Fritzl’s imprisonment was not to have sex with her. It ws to protect her from bad influences. Josef Fritzl said that he first started having sexual relations with Elizabeth Fritzl in the Spring of the following year, 1985.
Josef Fritzl admitted that Elizabeth Fritzl did not share his desire to have sex together. She cried but only for the first time. Josef Fritzl said that he felt pressurized to commit the forbidden sexual intimacy. Josef Fritzl gave in to the pressure of illicit sex with his daughter.
Josef Fritzl visited the cellar every second or third day to replenish the basic necessities like food, clean clothes, blankets and essentials. Josef Fritzl admitted taking advantage of the helpless Elizabeth Fritzl and repeatedly penetrated her.
Elizabeth Fritzl first became pregnant in 1988. Josef Fritzl said that Elizabeth Fritzl was very worried about her future. Josef Fritzl solved the problem by bringing Elizabeth Fritzl medical books to educate herself. When the time came to give birth, Elizabeth Fritzl performed her own delivery. Josef Fritzl had arranged the clean towels, disinfectants and nappies in the room.
Josef Fritzl said that he was delighted to have a proper second family in the cellar, with a wife and children. Thses were the chilling words he used to justify his actions.
Josef Fritzl was asked what would happen in the event of his sudden death. How would Elizabeth and her children get out? Josef Fritzl answered this smoothly. Josef Fritzl said that he had prepared a timer each time he left the cellar. The door would open after a fixed time, should he be incapable of visiting the cellar again in the nearest possible time. After his death, he was prepared to have Elizabeth Fritzl and her children go free.
Lisa was born in 1992, but Fritzl decided to bring her upstairs after she fell ill. On May 18, 1993, Josef Fritzl asked Elizabeth Fritzl to write a letter about Lisa Fritzl to introduce her to Rosemarie and the rest of the family living upstairs normally.
Monika, born in 1994, and Alexander born in 1996, were weak babies and children. This was the reason why Josef Fritzl brought them upstairs. Josef Friztl made it seem that he and Elizabeth Fritzl made joint decisions on this.
Josef Fritzl confessed that he realized his mistakes but he lived his second life to the full in the cellar. Elizabeth Fritzl toiled away taking care of Kerstin, Stefan, and Felix. In the world upstairs, Rosemarie Fritzl would care for the other 3 children - Lisa Fritzl, Monika Fritzl and Alexander Fritzl.
After Alex was born in 2002, Josef Fritzl gave a washing machine to Elizabeth Fritzl as a present. Before that, she used to toil to wash 4 persons’ clothes by hand.
The children upstairs addressed him as Daddy as Josef Fritzl had adopted them officially. The children supposedly knew that he was their grandfather but called him Daddy anyway.
The Fritzl kids downstairs called him grandfather.
Josef Fritzl declared that he tried to the best of his ability to take care of his second family in the cellar. Josef Fritzl did everything possible to give them a normal life. Josef Fritzl celebrated their birthdays, festivals like Christmas and had family days where everybody ate around the table. Josef Fritzl said he acted like a normal husband and father. Josefd Fritzl spent time with his twilight family in the cellar.
Josef Fritzl authorized his lawyer to pass his notes to the Austrian magazine called News.
Update on May 9.
Josef Fritzl, 73, has been informed that he would face charges for the murder of Michael Fritzl, his own son, who was born 12 years ago. Michael Fritzl was sickly after birth and he died 3 days into his new life. Josef Fritzl knew about his suffreing infant son but failed to seek medical help for the baby. The muder through negligence charge would likely bring imprisonment and Josef Fritzl could be jailed for the rest of his life.
The spokesman for the prosecutor’s office, Gerhard Sedlacek, said that all the Fritzl children would be interviewed before decisions would be made.
On Monday, May 12 2008, Josef Fritzl would be assessed by a psychiatrist to determine if he is mentally sound. Josef Fritzl’s lawyer wished to use the debate that Josef Fritzl was mentally unfit to argue his case out of a long prison sentence.
Police will enlist the help of archaelogists with sonar equipment to probe the grounds of Josef Fritzl’s house. They intend to check for buried corpses and more underground rooms.
Bloodhounds will be used to check for buried bodies in the garden of Josef Fritzl’s house.
Police spokesman Franz Polzer said that they have discovered 2 sealed off rooms in the cellar. These rooms were packed with building materials and rubbish.
Josef Fritzl’s lawyer, Rudolph Mayer, arranged for all new facts to be delivered to the media.
Josef Fritzl said that he grew up under the Hitler influence. Austria was keen on Hitler at that time. Josef Fritzl said that respect and obedience were two virtues that were taught to him.
Kerstin Fritzl became sick and screamed uncontrollably. Felix Fritzl’s body was shaking too sometimes. Josef Fritzl said he then decided to return the rest of the family in the cellar to the upstairs world. Josef Fritzl planned to tell the story that Elizabeth Fritzl had decided to return from the cult she had joined when she ran away. Josef Fritzl said that he hoped that the children would not betray him and tell anybody the truths of what he had done.
Josef Fritzl had warned Elizabeth Fritzl, Felix Fritzl and Stefan Fritzl that if they tried to escape from the electronic door, they would die from electrocution.
Josef Fritzl blamed Rosemarie Fritzl for his addiction to lust. Josef Fritzl blamed Elizabeth for making him lock her away. Josef Fritzl blamed his mother for his lonely and twisted childhood. Josef Fritzl blamed Adolf Hitler for influencing the Austrians and himself.
Updated on May 10 2008.
Peter Stolz, a brothel owner, said that Josef Fritzl was his customer. Peter Stolz said that Josef Fritzl hired vice girls and played deadly games with them. Josef Fritzl wanted the hooker inside a sack. Josef Fritzl would seal the sack and wait for the call girl to suffocate. Josef Fritzl wanted them to beg to be released. Josef Fritzl enjoyed the feeling of power over the vice girl.
Peter Stolz said that Josef Fritzl was perverse. Josef Fritzl acted like he needed to exert torture to satisfy his sexual gratification. Josef Fritzlhad said that he was not a monster before but others whon knew him described as having perverse addictions.
Peter Stolz said Josef Fritzl visited the brothel up to 3 times each week to get sado masochistic sex. Josef Fritzl preferred his call girls to wear heavy, scarlett lipstick. Josef Fritzl liked to play the rapist and his hooker had to be the terrified victim. This was the odd power play role again. Josef Fritzl wanted to inflict beatings on the women and occassionally, he requested to be beaten in return too.
Peter Stolz said that Josef Fritzl was his best customer and also his worst customer with all his demands. Josef Fritzl paid the bare minimum amount.
Josef Fritzl complained in his prison cell that he felt isolated and claustrophobic. Josef Fritzl desired that his wife Rosemaries Fritzl visit him in jail. He declared that he still loved Roasemarie Fritzl. Josef Fritzl had asked for her repeatedly. Josef Fritzl believed that Rosemarie Fritzl would visit him.
The whole world watches if that is to happen on this special weekend, whose Sunday is Mother’s Day 2008.
Updated on May 12 2008 - There was no news on any of the Fritzls visiting Josef Fritzl in prison.
Updated May 12 2008:
Josef Fritzl’s lawyer argued that his client’s mind was mentally unsound and Josef Fritzl should not be held responsible for his actions.
Josef Fritzl confessed that his mind was affected.
Josef Fritzl’s voluntary confessions show that he was lucid but had his own opinions.
Dr Adelheid Kastner, head of the forensic psychiatry department of the Linz Psychiatric Clinic, leads a team of psychologists who will conduct tests on Josef Fritzl.
German psychiatrist Dr Christian Ludke, 48, said he believed Josef Fritzl was suffering from Frankenstein Syndrome. This is a disorder which is characterised by the desire to be master of life and death. Josef Fritzl could have suffered some form of abuse from his mother or others. The victim became the abuser later on in his life.
The police who were involved in the Josef Fritzl case were traumatized after seeing the shocking details. They had to receive psychological counseling.
Franz Polzer, the chief police detective in charge of the Josef Fritzl case, said that the interior of the cellar was like an old submarine.
Josef Fritzl’s dungeon was cold, dark, stifling and wet. The kitchen cum bathroom was horrible with mould everywhere. Mould was usually caused by damp in the air. There were no curtains or doors separating the rooms. If Josef Fritzl had sex with his daughter Elizabeth Fritzl, everyone in the dungeon could see what went on.
Updated May 13 2008.
Police’s forensic science team brought sniffer dogs to Josef Fritzl’s house in Amstetten, Austria.
Josef Fritzl excavated a staggering amount of soil - 197 tonnes. That would occupy 17 lorries/ trucks. How did he manage to dig so much and how did he remove the earth without raising suspicions or questions? The neighbots and family have said that he intimidated people into silence.
It sounds incredible and riculous. Josef FRitzl managed to carry cellar tiles, bricks, wooden wall panels, a washing machine, a kitchen sink, beds and pipework of all shapes and sizes into the cellar without rousing suspicions.
Police have brought in sniffer dogs to locate the entrances of sealed rooms. They believed there were more rooms in the underground cellar.
Elizabeth Fritzl and the rest of the Fritzl family were under “therapeutic isolation” without access to any newspapers, internet or TV since the case was revealed on April 26. Today, on May 13, she would face the truth and be told about the media and its coverage of her case.
Elizabeth Fritzl’s lawyer will consult her on taking legal action against the media for breach of privacy in reporting the Josef Fritzl-Elizabeth Fritzl case.
Josef Fritzl had bought his house site at 40 Ybstrasse in Amstetten. He razed the old house to the ground and constructed a new one at a location that was pushed farther in front; nearer to the road. That meant that Josef Fritzl had plenty of space behind his present house to extend his building plans.
Josef Fritzl used a portion of the old house’s cellar to house Elizabeth Fritzl when she was first imprisoned. Police did not know why a portion of the original cellar was sealed up. The walled portion of the remainder of the cellar has been detected. Police forensic experts plan to open that up to discover and investigate what was inside.
Police will investigate thoroughly the organisation of the electric work, plumbing, security doors and the gas lines. Did Josef Fritzl do all of the cell building alone? If he had help, than he had accomplices and they would be brought for questioning and face possible charges.
Police will scan the entire 1,000 metres of ground of the property to detect any other rooms or other objects that were buried in the garden. They will use a ground radar scanner machine to probe the grounds.
In Austria, the strict privacy laws that protected offenders meant that convictions were erased later. There was a law encouraging the rehabilitation of offenders. Social workers had no knowledge of his sex crimes when they examined his request to adopt Elizabeth Fritzl’s children in 1993.
In 1959, Josef Fritzl was already recorded as an exhibitionist by his local police when he was living in Linz at that time. Josef Fritzl was only 24 in 1959.
Andreas dated Elizabeth Fritzl when she was young and sent her love letters. He came forward to say that he feared that his love letters caused Josef Fritzl to imprison her. Andreas is an Austrian and refused to reveal his full name for fear of reprisals. Andreas described Josef Fritzl as a control freak.
Andreas told a newspaper that he wrote 2 love letters to Sissi. Sissi was his nickname for Elizabeth Fritzl. Andreas said that he told Sissi that he loved her in the letters. Andreas said he had made plans with Elizabeth Fritzl to elope and get married.
Andreas told how heartbroken he felt when he did not receive a reply from Sissi. Andreas suspected that Josef Fritzl discovered their plans and that was the cause of getting Elizabeth Fritzl kidnapped for life.
Andreas lived in the Austrian capital, Vienna. Andreas met Elizabeth Fritzl while they were studying for a catering course together. Andreas and Elizabeth had planned to sleep together on the night that her dad Josef Fritzl came to fetch her home.
Andreas told that Elizabeth Fritzl seemed worried about something. She had failed her theory part of the exam. She was also depressed. She was in love with Andreas but had told him that she could not sleep with him.
Looking back, Andreas now said that he would interpret her behavior as being traumatized. It was published that Elizabeth Fritzl had been abused in some ways since she was 11 years old.
When Elizabeh Fritzl first set eyes on her mother Rosemarie Fritzl, she said that she could not believe she was freed at last. Elizabeth Fritzl had not seen her mother for 24 years. She asked if Rosemarie Fritzl was really her mother. Elizabeh Fritzl said that she never wanted to set eyes on her father again.
Elizabeth Fritzl was re-united with her children who were taken away from her by Josef Fritzl, her father. She hugged each of them and told them that they were beautiful.
Elizabeth Fritzl’s sister, Gabriele Hel, said that she could not believe how normal Elizabeth was. Elizabeth Fritzl was chatty, healthy, doing well and normal. Gabriele Hel was also attending some therapy to handle the stress and traumatization at being re-united with Elizabeth Fritzl.
Elizabeth Fritzl’s lawyer, Christoph Herbst, said that Elizabeth was re-discovering the world. She wanted the fresh air and feel the rain. Christoph Herbst said that she had to take it slowly for the sake of her well being. Elizabeth Fritzl now has no concept of time and of the future. After years of being in the dark and timeless tunnel, she had to slowly re-adjust to normal living. She made her request to live a normal life. Presently, she was overwhelmed and had no ther desires.
Felix Fritzl, the youngest child, had to be taught how to run. In his 6 years in the cellar, there was no space for him to run. He was the laughter in the family as he provided the mirth and happiness to cheer up the rest of the Fritzl family.
Elizabeth Fritzl seemed like a cardboard character from a horror movie for thsoe who don’t know her personally. Christoph Herbst said that she was normal and when a person talked to her, they would never know what she had been through.
The people have said that they were impressed by Elizabeth Fritzl’s strength.
The prosecutors hoped to gather enough evidence to charge Josef Fritzl with the murder of a baby that was incinerated after he died from neglect of medical treatment.
Josef Fritzl’s sister-in-law, Christine, 56, spoke to the press. She said that Josef Fritzl had not shared sexual intimacy with Rosemarie Fritzl, 60, for years. Josef Fritzl often spent entire nights in the cellar. Josef Fritzl told everyone that he was making machine plans in the cellar and he did not wish to be disturbed.
Can anyone believe it when officials said they discovered that Josef Fritzl had faked a telephone call to Rosemarie Fritzl while masquerading as Elizabeth Fritzl? How did he control his voice to become a falsetto?
What was the judgment of Rosemarie Fritzl? Could Josef Fritzl pull wool over her ears? This happened in 1994, about 10 years after Josef Fritzl locked up Elizabeth Fritzl in the cellar. Josef Fritzl pretended to be Elizabeth Fritzl as he asked Rosemarie to promise to take in and care for Elizabeth’s child. Josef Fritzl later then placed the babe at their doorstep of their home.
Reinhard Nosofsky, regional police department official, said that Rosemarie Fritzl had made a report to seek help from the police to trace the call and location but that turned up nothing.
Rosemarie’s sister, Christine, said that Josef Fritzl, now 73, ruled over his family like a military dictator. They called him by his nickname, Sepp. Christine said that if Josef Fritzl were free, she would never have dared to give an interview to discuss about Josef Fritzl.
Christine said that she had always hated Josef Fritzl. Christine recalled that she was 16 when Josef Fritzl was imprisoned on rape charges. By then, Josef Fritzl already had 4 children by Rosemarie Fritzl. Christine said that she was disgusted.
Josef Fritzl was working in another town, Linz, at that time. He stayed with his parents, Franz and Rosa in Linz. It was at that time that he would go traveling around on his bike. One night, he climbed into a woman’s flat on the ground level. Christine gave the eerie prediction that Josef Fritzl was born a criminal and would die as one.
Rosemarie Fritzl married Josef Fritzl when she was 17 years old. She did not learn any professional skills and was totally dependent on Josef Fritzl for her survival. Christine even counted the years - 51 years in total, when Rosemarie Fritzl had to serve Josef Fritzl.
Josef Fritzl treated his children as though they were in the Army. The Fritzl kids soon escaped from the family home by marrying and moving away.
When Josef Fritzl had imprisoned Elizabeth Fritzl underground, he began a routine like clockwork that would allow him to spend time with his secret family. Christine knew that every night at 9 pm, he would descend to the cellar. Josef Fritzl told everyone that he was working on plans for machinery and did not want any disturbance. Josef Fritzl would refuse Rosemarie to bring him coffee or disturb him in any way.
Christine said she would meet Josef Fritzl at least once a year on a family reunion. They went after each other and exchanged banter like cat and dog. For instance, Josef Fritzl would say that overweight women were below his standard. Christine knew that he was making fun of her because of her weight. She would poke fun at his bald head by saying that it was better to be chubby than bald.
Josef Fritzl was imprisoned St. Poelten police station.
Christine revealed that Josef Fritzl was deeply affected by her taunts and he went to Vienna to get a hair transplant.
Christine said that Josef Fritzl painted himself to be a different man to the outside world. Josef Fritzl wanted others to think that he was easy to get along with and convivial. Actually, the truth was he was the exact opposite.
Josef Fritzl always humiliated Rosemarie by speaking out that Rosemarie was too chubby for him. Josef Fritzl would laugh at dirty sex jokes and often enough, Josef Fritzl was the one who laughed the loudest. It was embarrassing for the rest of the people who knnew the Fritzl as they were aware that Josef Fritzl and Rosemarie Fritzl were not sharing sexual intimacy for several years.
Rosemarie Fritzl.
Austria’s police were determined to investigate Josef Fritzl thoroughly to defend themselves against claims that they had bungled or fouled up in the csase of the missing teen Elizabeth Fritzl.
Some people raised doubts that Josef Fritzl could have done all that he was accused of doing alone. Police were unable to answer questions on how Josef fritzl managed to get a 300 kg door into the cellar independantly.
Josef Fritzl had the nerve to go for a three week holiday to Thailand in 1994. The cellar had a tiny pantry and even if it was stocked with food, it was hard to imagine that the food would last for 3 weeks for a family of Elizabeth Fritzl, Kerstin Fritzl, Stefan Fritzl and whoever else who was born and around in the cellar. How did the Fritzl get rid of rubbish from the 3 weeks alone?
Due to the staggering amount of questions, the police said that they had asked Rosemarie Fritzl if she knew about Elizabeth Fritzl being imprisoned and Rosemarie said no.
The police/ Colonel Polzer said that their investigation of Josef Fritzl began when they had a tip off from an informer.
Austrian psychiatrist Reinhard Haller said that Fritzl might have pronounced narcissism. That was shown by his need to exercise power over others. Josef Fritzl exercised his power to silence others. When others were silent, he could get away with doing whatever he desired. Mr. Haller said that Josef Fritzl must have been insane and felt that he was far superior to others.
Updated: May 14 2008. Franz and Rosa
Last week in Austria, the locals staged demonstrations to support the Fritzl family. There was a candlelight vigil on one night. The Fritzl family have retuned thanks by creating a poster / posters to express their gratitude for the public’s show of sympathy. These were displayed in the town square.
Elizabeth Fritzl wrote inside her pair of hands in the drawing that she wishes for Kerstin to recover. Elizabeth Fritzl’s other wishes were for the protection of the family and for people to understand and love the Fritzls.
Felix Fritzl wrote that he liked riding in the car, playing, swimming, socializing, running and friendship.
Alexander Fritzl wrote that he missed school, the fire brigade and the eldest sister Kerstin Fritzl.
Monika Fritzl, one of the Elizabeth Fritzl children who lived above ground, wrote that she missed her school friends and wished Kerstin a speedy recovery.
Lisa Fritzl, 16, who was brought up upstairs with her grandmother Rosemarie Fritzl and Dad Josef Friztl, wished for all good things for her family. Lisa Fritzl said that she missed the sister Kerstin, who she has never known.
Rosemarie Fritzl wished that she could live with her children peacefully.
Stefan Fritzl wrote that he loved fresh air, freedom and nature.
A prayer and wish for Kerstin Fritzl to recover. Kerstin Fritzl’s condition has stabilized but she remained in an artificial comatose state to enable her to breathe easily.
Here is the detailed transcript that was translated from German:
Lisa, Monika and Alexander were trying to bond with their mother. Josef Fritzl had told them that their mother, Elizabeth Fritzl, had abandoned them when they were babies. The children believed that their mother did not want them. They need therapy to help the healing and bonding process.
Rosemarie Fritzl called herself Oma. That was the German term for grandmother, the language the Fritzls used.
Berthold Kepplinger, the Head of the clinic, said that he observed that the Fritzls needed time. It could several months for them to acclimatize and return to normal life. Physiotherapy and Ergotherapy were two types of treatment to help Elizabeth Fritzl, Stephan Fritzl and Felix Fritzl to get used to the extra space above ground. There was another treatment for getting accustomed to the natural light.
Josef Fritzl’s best friend Paul Hoerer, 69, accompanied Josef Fritzl on his holiday to Thailand. Paul Hoerer said that Josef Fritzl was annoyed when he realized that Paul Hoerer had seen him buy the erotic lingerie. The sizes did not add up to Rosemarie Fritzl’s size. Paul Hoerer and Josef Fritzl both knew that the lingerie was not purchased for Rosemarie Fritzl. Paul Hoerer said that Josef Fritzl made him say that he would not reveal the secret to Rosemarie Fritzl.
Rainer Wieczorak, 62, went to Pattaya, Thailand, in 1998. Rainer Wieczorak was with Josef Fritzl and Paul Hoerer and his girlfriend, Andrea Schmitt. Rainer Wieczorak sad that he went to Thailand to enjoy the warm climate. While Rainer Wieczorak, Paul Hoerer and Andrea Schmitt spent time together as a group, Josef Fritzl wandered off on his own. Josef Fritzl slept in late, had a massage on the beach and had a late breakfast.
Paul Hoerer said that Josef Fritzl took holidays alone. Paul Hoerer said that Josef Fritzl told him that Rosemarie had to stay home to look after the children.
Mr Paul Hoerer was Josef Fritzl’s best friend for 30 years. Paul Hoerer said he saw Josef Fritzl buy toys, gifts for children and a dress. Thoses things were unsuitable for Rosemarie Fritzl and Josef Fritzl’s grown children.
Josef Fritzl and his friends in Thailand. His pals’ faces have been blanked out by the news agency to ensure their privacy. Please click on thumbnail if you wish to enlarge.
Some people were appalled to think how could Josef Fritzl leave Elizabeth Fritzl and 3 other Fritzl children in the dungeon while he was away. It would take a ton of food to feed 4 living humans for 21 days. Imagine the smell from the decmposing rubbish that was enclosed with the small dingy cellar.
Paul Hoerer had visited the Fritzl family at least 3 times. Paul Hoerer could see nothing extra-ordinary in the house. paul Hoerer said that it sickened him presently to think that he was above Elizabeth Fritzl and her family in the dungeon while he walked about in the Fritzl house.
Updated on May 17 2008.
Alfred Dubanovsky, a lodger at the Fritzl house, told his story below.
Alfred Dubanovsky, a lodger in Josef Fritzl’s house, said that he lived there for 12 years but was unable to help Elizabeth Fritzl. Alfred Dubanovsky said that he saw Josef Fritzl load his wheel barrow with plenty of food and he took it down to the cellar. The amount of food was simply too much for the 5 people who were living in the Fritzl house. Alfred Dubanovsky said he saw Rosemarie Fritzl help Josef Fritzl take the food down into the cellar. Rosemarie Fritzl had told police that she did not know what went on in the cellar.
Alfred Dubanovsky said that his friend who lived in the Friztl house had also commented on the huge amounts of food that was being delivered doown stairs. Alfred Dubanovsky said that he was waiting for police to interview him.
The Austrian police had 300 officers working on the case of Josef Fritzl. They would be interviewing the 100 tenants that have lived in the Fritzl flats.
Dubanovsky, 42, was a garage worker in Amstetten. Alfred Dubanovsky said he had moved out of the house in 2007. Previously, he occupied a flat only a few feet above the cellar.
Alfred Dubanovsky, the car garage / petrol pump attendent claimed he saw a plumber - go to the cellar. Josef Fritzl could have needed help installing a toilet in his cellar. He could have locked his captives away in one of its tiny bedrooms while the plumbing was carried out.
Mr Alfred Dubanovsky said his landlord, Josef Fritzl, refused to talk about the basement. Josef Fritzl had once made a premonition type of admission. Josef Fritzl said that one day, his house would go down in history. Josef Fritzl predicted that he would get caught one day.
Updated on May 18 2008.
Review of Elizabeth Fritzl’s proposed TV interview.
Elizabeth Fritzl has agreed to discuss her imprisonment on Austria’s TV. Elizabeth Fritzl was rumored to have selected the same interviewer who did the interview for Natascha Kampusch.
Natascha Kampusch suffered a similar fate of Elizabeth Fritzl as she was kidnapped at the age of 10/11 and imprisoned for the next 8 years by Wolfgang. Elizabeth Fritzl could earn millions of pounds/euros/USD as her interview was expected to be sold via syndication. More than 300 TV stations were interested in it.
Elizabeth Fritzl might be talking about her experiences being raped by her father Josef Fritzl, her childbirth deliveries alone and etc. She would be asked on the home made cremation of her baby who died through neglect immediately after childbirth.
Elizabeth Fritzl was said to be extremely hateful towards her Dad, Josef Fritzl.
Josef Fritzl would be subjected to DNA testing to determine if he was the killer of 3 murdered women in Austria.
Elizabeth Fritzl’s children will be protected from the TV media. None of the young Fritzl kids were asked to appear on TV.
So far, there had been no adult photographs of Elizabeth Fritzl that were released to the press. One such picture of the adult Elizabeth Fritzl would be worth thousands. The authorities have kept the press at bay. The officials said it was to protect Elizabeth Fritzl.
The worst case of injury happened to a security guard at Amstetten Mauer hospital. The guard fell from a balconey while trying to shoo away a cameraman. Seventeen photographers have been caught with illegal trespassing or were guilty on other fake and cheating masquerades. They wanted to take Elizabeth Fritzl’s pictures. They wanted photos of the Fritzl children.
Josef Fritzl is now under investigation for:
1986 murder of 17-year-old Martina Posch,
in 1966 - one murder
and 2007 – one murder.
Updated on Wednesday, May 21, 2008.
The Secrets of the Austrian Cellar is broadcast on Channel 4 tomorrow, UK May 22, at 9pm.
Elizabeth Fritzl taught her kids language, grammar and maths while they were all imprisoned in the dungeon. Elizabeth Fritzl’s lawyer, Christoph Herbst, was recorded in a Channel 4 TV documentary. Christoph Herbst said that Elizabeth Fritzl has yet to decide if she wanted to seek compensation from her father, Josef Fritzl, for the years of abuse. Elizabeth Fritzl and the rest of the Fritzls were unsure if they needed to change their identities to protect themselves.
The Fritzls live a normal life at the hospital. They rise up, eat breakfast together, do their activities and try to live life normally. The Fritzl children raised by Elizabeth were well behaved. Felix Fritzl saw his first thunder storm for the first time in his life.
The dungeon children had less problems adapting than the normal children who lived above the cellar. They had to adjuct to the sudden intrusion of the media.
Updated on Thursday, May 29, 2008.
The Fritzl family would accept the authorities’ help. They would assume new identities. They would re-locate to a new residence that is away from their old town but not too far away.
The Fritzl children who have schooling while they were living above ground would continue to study at their schools when the new term starts.
Updated May 27 2008.
Kerstin Fritzl is awake from her coma. She opened her eyes. Her health is still very fragile.
Updated Thursday, May 29, 2008.
Elizabeth Fritzl has refused lucrative deals worth £10 million to relate her story. Her family is in the process of getting new identities and disappearing from the glare of the media.
Updated Tuesday June 3 2008.
The Sun reported that Josef Fritzl received 200 letters from women who offered their love. Some women wrote that they believed he was good hearted and mis-understood. Some letter writers wrote that they agreed with his efforts for keeping Elizabeth Fritzl locked up and away.
Josef Fritzl is now imprisoned in Sankt Poelten prison in Austria. Josef Fritzl also received a mountain of hate mail. Josef Fritzl’s next court appearance is on Friday June 6.
Updated On June 6 2008.
Josef Friztl would be examined by doctors for a heart problem and tested for a suspected blood disorder. He seemed to have lost weight in prison.
Elizabeth Fritzl’s doctors have said that she was still frail and might not be able to take the stand in a trial against her father. They anticpiated a wait of 2 years before she could face the issues of the past again.
In the meantime, the police were worried that Josef Fritzl might die before he stands trial. The police had said that the legalities, paper work and red tape could mean that they would have to wait 2 years before Josef Fritzl stands trial.
A former convict who had been released from prison said that the other prisoners taunt and tease Josef Fritzl. They called him Satan and said that they would kill him if he ever came out of his cell to socialize.
Kerstin’s health is improving. Her doctors are optimistic about her condition.
Photographers are still trying to sneak in to get shots of the Fritzls.
Updated on Sat. June 7 2008.
Police said that they will hold Josef Fritzl in custody for another 2 months while he awaits trial.
Updated on Monday June 9 2008.
Josef Fritzl might stand trial in court in July. Elizabeth Fritzl will also be questioned formerly and this session will be beamed via satellite or videolink and shown to her father. The authorities will first determine if both Josef and Elizabeth Fritzl are fit to go through these sessions. There will be a psychiatrist present to monitor Elizabeth Fritzl. In Josef Fritzl’s room, he will have his own psychiatrist to assess his mental capacity.
Updated Wednesday June 11 2008.
Kerstin Fritzl has woken up after 7 weeks in her coma. She has asked to attend a concert by Robbie Williams. After her first awakening since April 19, Kerstin smiled at her doctors and they were so relieved that they smiled back at her.
Kerstin has expressed her wish to go on a boat trip. She may have seen a boat on the TV in the cellar.
Kerstin started walking and she was deemed fit enough to be transferred to the same clinic as her mother and other siblings were staying.
Dr Albert Reiter, Kerstin Fritzl’s doctor, at a news conference in Zeillern, Austria.
The doctor said that Kerstin became sick after biting her tongue. Blood flowed into her lungs. Slowly an infection spread in her body. That was how she became seriously ill. It was a slow process and her recovery was encouraged by her mother, Elizabeth Fritzl, who visited her daily and talked to her to stimulate her. It seemed that Kerstin Fritzl has recovered.
Praise The Lord.
Updated Mon. June 16 2008.
Rosemarie Fritzl and a relative accompanied her back to the old Fritzl house. They went past the police guard and saw hordes of tourists posing outside the House of Horrors.
Rosemarie Fritzl came out with a few suitcases. They were filled with clothes, toys and favorite things of the Fritzl children. Felix Fritzl missed his toys. Elizabeth Fritzl wanted some of her old clothes.
Updated Sat. June 21 2008.
The Fritzl children are engrossed with football Euro 2008. Elizabeth Fritzl and her mother, Rosemarie Fritzl normally handle the basic chores like preparing food. The Fritzl kids are schooled by private tutors who come into the clinic where they are all staying. The youngest Fritzl is Felix and Rosemarie entertains him by playing board games with him. Stefan Fritzl enjoys playing computer games.
The clinic staff ensure that they only watch football and that the TV is switched off immediately afterwards. They wish to ensure that the Fritzls do not watch news about themselves as they might be affected by the media’s coverage of their ordeal.
Elizabeth Fritzl’s sister visits tem often and brings her children to come along too. The Fritzl cousins play together happily. Christoph Herbst, the family’s lawyer, said that the Fritzl family are slowly progressing towards living life on the outside.
Updated on Tues. June 24 2008.
Elizabeth Fritzl’s trial and testimony has been delayed by 3 weeks as her doctors had their opinions that she was not ready for that task. Elizabeth herself has expressed her anxiety and eagerness to get on with her testimony as she did not wish for her father, Josef Fritzl, to escape on a technicality. She was anxious that he should be punished for his misdeeds.
When Elizabeth gives her testimony and stands trial for answering questions, it would be done via video conferencing.
The Fritzl children who lived underground in the cellar would be questioned at a later date. The trial would bank heavily on the evidence of Rosemarie Fritzl and Elizabeth Fritzl.
Updated Sun July 6 2008.
Elizabeth Fritzl has learnt, for the first time, how the police and doctors have passed information to the media. She wants an immediate censorship of all information that related to her time spent in the dungeon of her father’s house. She has threatened to use legal action against the media. She said that she wants to live in freedom. Austria’s Draconian personal privacy laws bans the propagation of confidential information.
Josef Fritzl spends his tims in prison writing his memoirs. He intends to sell his story to the highest bidder. When his daughter Elizabeth Fritzl learnt of his goal, she was horrified. Elizabeth Fritzl had told that she would not sell her story.
Updated Tues. July 8 2008.
The authorities said that a medical doctor will question Josef Fritzl on the condition of the baby who died after childbirth. The doctor will try to determine or speculate the cause of death. After this interview is done, the authorities will prepare to start the trial.
Updated Friday July 11 2008.
Elisabeth Fritzl’s formal questioning session has started. She was in one room with the judge and her lawyer Eva Plaz, and state prosecutor Christiane Burkheiser and defence lawyer Mayer were in the other room.
The investigative judge is Christoph Bauer. The trial judge is Andrea Humer.
Josef Fritzl declined to attend the investigative questioning. Thus, under Austrian law, Elizabeth Fritzl may also be allowed not to attend the trial. Her lawyer will ask for her opinion on that matter.
Updated Sat. July 12 2008.
One fifteen year old girl from Elizabeth Fritzl’s children went to attend summer camp. She was given a fake identity so that she would not be recognized.
Updated Friday July 18.
Josef Fritzl has demanded to be given anti-ageing face cream during his confinement in remand.
The Bild, Germany’s biggest newspaper, RTL; the television channel and Switzerland’s leading newspaper Blick have reported that Elizabeth Fritzl has accused her father of murdering her 3 day old baby (Michael) who was born in 1997.
Updated July 22.
There were some speculations that Josef Fritzl may receive a 15 year sentence. The doctor will try to determine if Josef Fritzl could be held accountable for Michael’s death. If he were responsible, Josef Fritzl would get a heavier sentence.
Updated July 25.
Elizabeth Fritzl has asked her mother, Rosemarie Fritzl, to leave their secret home because Lisa, 16, Monika, 14, and Alexander,12, still call Rosemarie, mum.
Updated July 27.
There is a documentary on Elizabeth Fritzl being aired. The details are at -
http://celebgalz.com/elizabeth-fritzl-documentary-july-27-2008/
Updated July 29 2008.
After Rosemarie Fritzl was booted from her daughter Elizabeth’s flat, she made a surprise announcement. Rosemarie Fritzl has decided to divorce her husband, Josef Fritzl. The Fritzls were married for the past 52 years. Rosemarie Fritzl has moved into a rented flat, costing $540 monthly, in Linz.
Updated July 29
Police read Josef Fritzl’s prison diaries and told Austrian newspapers that he confessed to raping Rosemarie’s sister.
Updated August 3.
The authorities will try to add slavery charges on Josef Fritzl in the attempt to add a longer prison sentence for him.
Updated August 10.
Elizabeth Fritzl has met a man who befriended her and they were seen taking walks and talking within the grounds of the hospital. Elisabeth’s new friend is about 5ft 10in tall and of medium build. He appears to be in his late 30s and has long, dark hair.
Updated August 14.
Elizabeth Fritzl was taken to her father’s house as the Austrian police wanted to show her the place where she was imprisoned for the past 25 years. The police also gathered evidence from the house.
It had emerged that Josef Fritzl lied about the automatic timer which would open the electronic door had he been away for more than a few days. The investigators found no such device and Elizabeth Fritzl and her children would have died slowly if they were indeed left alone in their dungeon. Josef Fritzl has revealed from prison that he wants to sell away his house after the trial. The Austrians have dubbed it The House Of Horrors.
Elizabeth Fritzl and her children created a special poster to thank the Austrian police for all their help rendered to the Fritzl family. The police have been a constant force of protection since Elizabeth Fritzl and her children were freed from their underground cellar. They live in an apartment within the grounds of the Austrian clinic/ hospital. Police screen their visitors.
Police chief Karl Gschoepf said that they had dramatic experiences handling such a high profile case where the victims were highly sensitive to the world and society since they had no contact with other human beings during their captivity.
Josef Fritzl may not get much punishment because charges of rape and manslaughter are difficult to prove as the amount of time that has lapsed is great. Presently, the amount of jail he could get was 15 years. 15 years is less than the 24 years he has imprisoned Elizabeth.
Austrian officials will do a new psychiatric test on Elizabeth Fritzl to see if she has suffered permanent damage as a result of her ordeal. If Elizabeth Fritzl gives evidence of injury, Josef Fritzl will receive a longer jail sentence.
Updated August 15 2008.
Elizabeth Fritzl has started teaching her children how to play outdoors. After spending their entire lives underground, the children are discovering the joys of running, swimming and roller blading.
Stefan Fritzl deeply appreciated nature as he had never seen tall trees. He was confined in a low ceiling cellar and had no idea how trees could grow to such great heights. He said he wanted to become a gardener.
The psychiatric hospital staff has seen Elizabeth and the Fritzl children rollerblading and playing in the grounds. They said they were overjoyed that Elizabeth was instrumental in teaching her children to adapt to the real world. Prankl, one the bodyguards assigned to the Fritzl family said that the Fritzls showed courage.
Updated August 18.
Elizabeth Fritzl has rejected the Austrian authorities to give her family new identities. She said that she would change her surname. Elizabeth said that people would be able to piece together profiles and guess who the Fritzls are even if they were given entirely new identities. After her father’s trial in December, Elizabeth will move out of the flat at the psychiatric clinic grounds and into a new home. Elizabeth wants to live in a new location about 1 hour away from her old home in Amstetten.
Updated August 23.
Joseph Fritzl’s trial will be closed to the public and held in secret.
It was revealed that Elizabeth Fritzl exhibited signs of stress and torture during her long imprisonment. She had torn out her hair and also tore at her clothes to protest at being locked up. She also blocked the dungeon’s only toilet in her efforts to try to be released by her captor. The Fritzl’s 6 children will not be asked to testify at the trial of Josef Fritzl. Rosemarie Fritzl will not be required to testify. The secret trial will be held in Sankt Poelten, Austria.
Books about Elizabeth Fritzl:
House of Horrors - The horrific true story of the father from hell, by Nigel Cawthorne, is on sale in Britain. It is published by John Blake.
Monster - A rapist father, a captive daughter, a dungeon, by Allan Hall is due for release in November.
Updated Oct 30.
Josef Fritzl admitted in court that he had locked up his mother until her death in 1980. Fritzl said he craved his mother’s love but he was unrequited. Consequently, he desired to punish his mother for all his sufferings.
Dr Kastner, 46, of the Wagner-Jauregg mental asylum in Linz was employed by the court to perform a psychiatric examination of Josef Fritzl. Dr Kastner concluded that Josef Fritzl is sane and competent to answer for his actions. Dr Kastner recommended that Josef Fritzl should not be free. She thinks he will be a danger to the public.
Updated March 16:
Josef Fritzl has gone to trial. Fritzl pleaded guilty to incest, rape and deprivation of liberty.Fritzl pleaded not guilty to charges of murder and enslavement.
Updated March 17: Josef Fritzl changed his mind and decided to plead guilty to all the charges. Fritzl insisted Michael’s death was accidental. Fritzl said he was moved to pleade guilty after watching Elizabeth’s testimony on video tapes. Source.
Updated March 19:
Josef Friztl has been convicted for the murder of the baby, Michael Fritzl. This conviction carries a life sentence in prison. Fritzl has not been formally sentenced.
Updated: Josef Fritzl has been sentenced to life in prison. Fritzl will be imprisoned in a psychiatric prison and receive treatment.
Updated March 21:
Josef Fritzl is still being investigated for four women’s murders or disappearances. Read here.
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A reader, David, has done all the homework to obtain the information on the donation fund account for Elizabeth Fritzl. The details are in the comments. I would like to express my thanks to David.
The following is an email from H.Gruber@amstetten.at
He works at the bank. You can email him at the official bank’s email address or telephone the bank to confirm for yourself. This is the website of the bank - http://www.notar.at/en/portal/einrichtungen/notartreuhandbank/
This is their email - stadtamt@amstetten.at
Account Information:
Paypal-payment to office@notar-zillinger.at.
for donations:
Notartreuhandbank AG
Account spelled: “ZUVERSICHT”
account with (Konto bei): Notartreuhandbank AG, Landesgerichtsstraße 20, A-1010 Wien
account number: 485-01.242.403
bank code: 31.500
IBAN: AT453150048501242403
BIC: RZBAATWW
Kind regards
Mag. Hermann Gruber
Leiter Stabstelle
Stadtamt der Stadtgemeinde Amstetten
Rathausstraße 1, A-3300 Amstetten
Tel. 07472/601-470, Fax 07472/601-464
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May 21st, 2008 at 8:04 am
joseph fritzel’s penis should be chopped off, sliced and fried crispy…. and he should be made to eat it just like a snack with the apricot dish he is currently having in jail.
May 23rd, 2008 at 1:56 am
Only the power of Jesus Christ will enable Elisabeth and her children to overcome the terrible experiences of their lives. I pray that Elisabeth and her children will receive Jesus into their lives as their savior if they haven’t done so already, and I pray for the presence of people in Austria who will be able to take the gospel of Jesus Christ to the Fritzl clan.
May 23rd, 2008 at 7:59 am
Nathan, where was Jesus Christ during these years of terror? Looking the other way like all people arround this poor girl…?
I feel so sad for Elisabeth for being raped by her own father, imprisoned in an unhealthy dungeon, having her children without medical care, having her children taken from her, the lonelyness, the fear…
You talk about Jesus Christ, but he was the only one who know, and he let it happen….
May 25th, 2008 at 1:07 am
Sad, Jesus is not to blame. Just in case you missed this, the culprit is Mr. Fritzl.
“he [Jesus] was the only one who know..”
Why do people always blame God for everything bad that happens? What about the devil or any demons and their influence. Crap happens and so do wonderful things. So I guess the captives release, their reunion with family members, all the support from people around the world, and justice being served isn’t any of Jesus’ doing, right (sarcasm)?
Stop hating Jesus for one second please, and focus on the what good can be done for the Fritzl family.
May 25th, 2008 at 1:41 am
I agree with “Friend Says”. Jesus isn’t to blame. In fact, Jesus and Heavenly Father helped Elisabeth and her children make it through her ordeal. They will continue to help her heal. If you want to blame someone, blame Satan, he’s the evil one!
Bless you, Elisabeth! The worst is behind you. We all are praying for you and your family!
May 25th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
I agree with friend
God could probably have created a world without evil, but that would have come at the price of individual freedom of choice and will. We could have got a world with a God who acted like Superman and jumped in and stopped all evil, but then humans would not need to be responsible for their acts.
May 26th, 2008 at 8:45 am
I think you all misunderstood me. I’m not blaming (or hate…) God! There is only one person to blame and that’s Josef Fritzel! It just doesn’t feel right that these things happen over such a long period of time and I am sure that I’m not the only one who is struggeling with God’s ways…! I just feel for Elisabeth and her children!
May 26th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
I think Elizabeth Fritzl is an extreemly special person for holding on to the hope that she would some day be freed with her children. Her faith is demonstrated in that while she was in prison, she did what she could to teach her children to read, write, do math and be nicely behaved. She fed them and was apparently kind to them, which must have been difficult in such a small space. I think Elizabeth Fritzel must have prayed every day that God would give her freedom and God finally broke through the demonic boundaries that held her prisoner, which the Bible says is sometimes terribly difficult to do, even when God is involved. I know that Elizabeth and her children will recover fully and live normal lives in a few years. I think Elizabeth should do whatever she can with her story to earn money so she can live the life she deserves. I agree with another commentor, Joseph Fritzl should be castrated without anesthesia, and left in a dank, windowless prison for double the time that Elizabeth served her “time”. I think the Country of Austria should be held accountable for making prostitution legal, because apparently many men have learned to abuse sex and women through this “legal” albiet immoral law allowing the abuse of women’s sexuality. Psychological studies have shown that the desire for sex increases once a person becomes accustomed to any sexual act as “normal” - apparently Joseph Fritzl’s desire for improper sex was no longer satisfying, and he had to victimize others in an “illegal” way, because in Austria, prostitution is legal, and therefore grows “mundane” and boring. I will never in my life visit a country that allows the abuse of women through prostitution, even if the women claim they “want” to do it as a job. I do not believe that any normal woman would want to do such a thing, only those who have experienced sexual or other types of abuse and emotional neglect. That country should be held accountable for Elizabeth Fritzel’s and her children’s suffering - they allow prostitution, which aided Joseph Fritzl in growing a bigger and bigger desire to do that which is sexually immoral. Once something so wrong became “normal”, Joseph, and perhaps many other Austrian men, seek that which is “exciting” even if it harms someone very deeply. I hope Elizabeth sues the state for her problems becuase of their bad laws, legislations and their lack of ability to keep track of her father’s sexual crims against other women as well! Apparently Austria does not care to pay attention to things. Further, if so many people saw J. Fritzl take so much into the basement, they needed to stop being afraid of him and go investigate. I know there is a hell and J. Fritzl is sure to be imprisoned there and tormented eternally. I think Elizabeth knows this as well.
May 27th, 2008 at 4:22 am
Wonderful post, Cynthia. I agree with you. I’m trying very hard not to judge Josef Fritzel because the Bible tells us not I know he will get his just rewards after death.
I also think Elisabeth should be paid for any appearance, interview, etc. She deserves the money and needs it to help her and her family financially. I hope the rest of her life is free from stress, mentally and finacially. I have great respect for her and pray for her daily.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Thank you for sharing.
June 12th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
does anyone know how to send a letter to elisabeth? i only want to tell her i am so sorry and i pray for her daily. if you know please email me: reimannlori@yahoo.com
June 13th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
I wrote a letter to a plastic surgeon in Boston yesterday after reading stories of vermin paparazzi trying to get photos of the family. I may not hear back from him - but do you all think we could write letters to plastic surgeons in our respective countries who could restore Elisabeth (and her children) to her/their original attractiveness and try to undo years of medical neglect? Does she not deserve to look as pretty as she was when she was first incarcerated as a young girl?
Stories of their receiving “new identities” seem to refer only to new ‘names’. How about new faces? It is so nice to see so many thousands of people concerned for them. I hope they go on to live very happy and anonymous lives filled with travel and laughter and enjoying in person what they have only seen on television for 20 years…
Could we start a “Fritzl Foundation” website - that takes donations and could support them the rest of their lives? (Does anyone really expect these people to have to work at some stupid job after all they’ve been through?)
And thank you Anita, for keeping this story updated on your website.
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(my letter sent to doctor yesterday:)
6/12/08
Image of prematurely aged Elisabeth after 24 years underground:
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=145614&in_page_id=34
Description of Elisabeth :
http://www.thespec.com/News/CanadaWorld/article/362567
“Elisabeth Fritzl, 42, is being described as an elderly looking woman with crudely cut hair that has turned completely grey. She has a deeply-lined face and tight lips that, doctors say, conceal a mouth full of badly decaying teeth.”
Dear Dr. Gallico,
Will you be in europe anytime soon?
There is a family in Austria who could really benefit from your talents.
I am hoping your world-renowned practice, or one similar to yours from somewhere else in the world, will volunteer your services towards the generous task of giving Elisabeth Fritzl and her children back their physical beauty that was taken from them from living so many years underground without proper medical care.
I’m from Boston , and so I’m hoping a team of good Boston doctors will step forward. But if not you - could you somehow help get this surgery done with some phone calls?
Like millions of other people in the world who gasped when they first read this tragic story two months ago, I am so happy to hear they are recovering nicely. However, I am also disturbed at the media’s pursuit of photographs of the family – we should not want to know what these people look like. Not now.
It would be so nice if a doctor like you would fly in there, give them some quick plastic surgery, make them all physically pretty and handsome…and then sneak them out of the hospital before anyone in the outside world gets a look at them. Because it’s none of our business.
Could you recommend someone to perform this procedure? Would you recommend someone?
The teenage daughter, Kerstin, just woke from her coma and wants to see a Robbie Williams concert, (whoever that is.) http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/11/joseffritzl.austria1
I apologize for the strangeness and presumptuousness of this letter to you. But I know that doctors sometimes perform pro bono surgery and the more I read about this story it gets me to thinking that if anyone could benefit from some plastic surgery that would both (a) physically improve their appearance and (b) help hide their identity, it is the Fritzl children in Austria.
You are the first letter I am sending regarding this. I hope that this can get done, done well and done quietly – and soon. If there is a european plastic surgery practice which is better suited (and closer to Austria than MGH) who could be contacted, could you please let me know? And if you have already heard that this issue has been taken care of (surgery for the Fritzls), that would be a tremendous piece of news for me to hear as well.
Thank you so much for your time and for your consideration of this matter.
I look forward to your reply.
Sincerely,
Ben Joplin
Boston, MA
June 14th, 2008 at 3:18 am
Dear Ben,
I am touched by your noble gesture. The Austrian authorities are committed to assist the Fritzls. They have new identities and will re-locate to settle in a new neighborhood one day soon. They are confident that with these new identities, the Fritzls will be able to live life normally without undue intrusion into their privacy. There was no mention of plastic surgery being used. The local Austrians have the address of the fund collection authority, where donations are made for the welfare of the Fritzls.
Thank you for everything you’ve done.
June 14th, 2008 at 5:33 am
I, too, pray for Elisabeth and her children (and mother). Thank you for keeping us posted on their progess. I’m so happy that Kersten is better. I come to this page daily to read updated news. I also pray they never have to worry about money or being bothered. They deserve the very best!
June 15th, 2008 at 2:43 am
Personally I would love to see a way to fly Robbie Williams in to perform a concert just for Kersten.
Does anyone have an address for this foundation?
June 15th, 2008 at 3:41 am
Lori,
Hi. I’ll try to search but can’t promise if I’d be able to get it. I’ll paste it here if I can manage to get the info. Thanks.
June 15th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
i am so overjoyed that kerstin has awoken from her coma and is on her way to recovering thank the good lord for that and i urge people to never stop praying for elisabeth and her children
June 16th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Thank the lord that are finally all together and lets pray that god gives them the best in life cause they deserve the best.god bless them.X
June 17th, 2008 at 8:14 am
Account set up for the collection of finances to support of the Fritzl Family…
http://www.amstetten.at/Aktuelles-Details.88+M5e825fd0865.0.html
this is the Town of Amstetten’s web site, in Austrian, but scroll down for an English translation… this I found on another blog dedicated to the Fritzls support… if someone reads Austrian there may be more detailed information on this website… I do not have that facility… I just pass this on for information purposes only, but as it is on the Amstetten web site, I am guessing that it is safe to assume that it is legitimate… but that is not an endorsement… trust by verify… gud alt Rus provorb
June 17th, 2008 at 8:23 am
Dear David,
Thanks. I suppose we have to search for the bank’s email or tel number to verify.
June 17th, 2008 at 8:30 am
This is the website of the bank:
http://www.notar.at/en/portal/einrichtungen/notartreuhandbank/
June 17th, 2008 at 8:35 am
I can’t find the email address yet.
June 17th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
stadtamt@amstetten.at
June 17th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
this is the home page of the clinic that the Fritzl’s are at
http://www.mauer.lknoe.at/
below I have put information I have been able to glean from it…
This is the mailing address for the clinic in Austrian/German
Landesklinikum Mostviertel
Amstetten-Mauer
A-3362 Mauer/Amstetten
Austria/Österreich
Contact Page for Personnel at Clinic
http://www.mauer.lknoe.at/de/794/
Press Secretary
Harald Höllmüller
Tel.: 07475/501-2050
E-mail: harald.hoellmueller@mauer.lknoe.at
this is a page of press releases,
the Fritzl’s ssem to have knocked that one on it’s posterior;
in the last one before the Fritzl’s came to stay, big news was the Euro Cup and preparations for intake of patients if necessary
http://www.holding.lknoe.at/de/1205/
June 18th, 2008 at 6:13 am
Dear David,
Thank you!
I have written to the bank to ask for confirmation on the donation fund account. I’m not sure if there will be any reply since there might be a communication barrier in different languages.
June 18th, 2008 at 9:34 am
I suppose I should point out, that I don’t speak or read German or Austrian, I have been using an online translating program at
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_txt?fr=avbbf-us
as for Language barrier, you may be surprised… being multilingual is not that uncommon… at the very least, I would expect there to be someone who could read English… the only barrier that you might come up against is the number of e-mails that the bank receives per day…
June 18th, 2008 at 9:44 am
David,
You’re patient and wonderful.:)
June 18th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
How can you say let jesus be with Elisabeth. Where was jesus in the last 24 years of her life?
June 18th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
Sacha,
Jesus did not promise anyone a rose garden. A life is full of suffering. Jesus taught acceptance of the Father’s Will. He promised to help to carry the cross. He did not promise to remove the cross.
June 19th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
hi Sacha,
to study the Judeao-Christian faith, is to study about Law… if you really want to understand, I would suggest reading Job, as a torte on the limitations of God… God was unable to go to Job’s assistance until Job acknowledged the supremacy of God… now, in the legal sense, when Jesus sacrificed himself, he overcame those limitations, but only in so far as his followers are now able to call on him and the angels for assistance… (I am simplifying here for conciseness)… and to do so on behalf of a world that is still under the control of that which is evil… if something doesn’t get rectified immediately it is not anyone’s fault… there is a plan unfolding, which we don’t see… and that is where faith comes in… believing when there is no reason to believe… having hope, beyond the Wish type… dry spells as Christians call them… sorry if this is not enough… my father was an atheist because he served in the Second World War, while my mother’s faith was enlarged by enduring the war in London, UK… Pain and suffering can affect people differently… I just ask that there be peace in you over this business with the Fritzls (or like me, monitoring the happenings in Zimbabwe)… being upset at God or someone who believes in him, can only hurt you, with the frustration in the end… my brother has a fav saying, when confronted with the God’s imponderables: God only knows, and SHE is only guessing… and so are we… if someone wishes to believe in Vampires, Buddha, or Jesus, let it be… so long as they are not out to forcibly convert you to believing there way, it’s all good…
perhaps Angie you can guess how I come by my patience
June 20th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Angie,
now in early retirement… other than photography, do a lot of surfing of news…
just took a look to see if there was anything new, and see you did get a reply from the bank… thank you for the note… really not that much work… 8 years of practice on a magazine mailing list
and speaking of news… just found this on the Lawyer for Elisabeth and Family… Cristoph Herbst
http://www.hvk.at/index.htm?id=340;lang=en
has an e-mail address… may be useful… have been searching for means of contacting the family, as others are interested… other than the press officer at the clinic, this may be the other best bet… if there is an e-mail or web site set up, I haven’t found it… I heard that the family will be answering mail and e-mail in the next few months… whether that is true or not, I can’t tell as yet…
June 20th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Dear David,
Thank you.
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Thank you for the update! Much appreciated that we can now stop worrying about Kirsten and know that she will be fine cause if she is with her mum then her mum will be to lead them forward and able to overcome anything. I think Kirsten is the Rock of Elizabeths spirit and with both of them together they will get themselves, the boys and the upstairs kids to rebuild what Josef has broken. God bless all of the family and hoping that the public will just leave them in peace to recover.
June 22nd, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Roshni,
Thanks.
June 28th, 2008 at 1:06 am
Hi Angie, putting this here, see if anyone feels as I do, that knowing when Elisabeth had her children, helps us to relate to her in a different way… I found that when writing this, I couldn’t help thinking about where I was when Elisabeth was going through her hell… for me it put it all into perspective, and my own trials and tribulations became so much smaller, that I wondered how come I even thought I had it rough… my life was a walk in the park by comparison…
it is possible, that Elizabeth, Kerstin & Stefan will have problems in life, saying goodbye or being separated from people they are close too… for the simple reason that they have had to do it 3 times in circumstances that gave them no hope of ever seeing their children/siblings again… and that’s the tip of the emotional baggage they have to over come…
hmmmmmmmmmm just had a thought, with regard to Elisabeth’s attachment to her mother… some blame Rosemarie for not being their for Elisabeth before she was put into the dungeon, and after… but what if Elisabeth is so grateful to have her mother back, that IF there was room to blame she can’t bring herself to, and would rather forgive her, so that she can have her mother with her…
Kerstin was 3, Stefan was 2, when Lisa was born in 1992 (Elisabeth was about 26)… then in 1993, when their cellar had been expanded, from 380sq ft to 650sq ft, Lisa was taken away to live upstairs after 9 months with them…
in 1994, when Elisabeth was 28, Monika was born, Kerstin was 5 and Stefan 4, 10 months later she was taken away from them…
in 1996, Kerstin was 7 and Stefan 6 when Elisabeth, at 30, had the twins, the one dieing 3 days after birth… and she was 8 and Stefan 7, when Alexander was taken away, upstairs, after 15 months with them…
Kerstin was 13 and Stefan 12 and Elisabeth was about 36, when Felix was born, in 2002…
June 28th, 2008 at 2:40 am
http://www.austriantimes.at/index.php?id=7133
Angie, get a load of this, and really look at the ‘person’s’ picture… this has to rock!! I feel that there is justice in the world… now we only need for something to break for Aarushi…
feel like hugging the world…
June 28th, 2008 at 4:22 am
David,
Thanks for the link. It remains to be seen whose side she is on. There are women who are fans of Josef Fritzl, as he received hundreds of fan mail.
June 28th, 2008 at 9:52 am
dear Angie, haven’t heard anything about fan mail for Elizabeth since that one little quote about the family perhaps answering mail… wonder if she is receiving anything like JF is… or do you think men would be more sensible than that… have to admit have heard of women falling in love with beasts like JF, while incarcerated, and even marrying them… the French Woman that went through similar circumstances, seems to have begun a second family, and though they don’t mention marriage, there is a companion, name of Sylvain… but she was 6 years younger than Elisabeth when she escaped, and had 3 more children, presumably with Sylvain…
I have been working on another ‘tedious’ list for you… on my blog… this time a more complete time line of Elisabeth’s life… can find it here… trying to pretty it up now, so it isn’t so boring… you be the judge of if it is worth while… no copy write on it ;0
ps may not have been all fan mail that JF received, a lot it is said was hate mail… can’t quote a source on that, just a read in passing… so much out there on the net…
June 28th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
http://schneewolfe1948.blogspot.com/2008/06/timeline-of-important-events-in.html here is the link…
June 28th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
David,
Is this Special Spiritual police force real or a jab at humor?
June 28th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Angie, well, as my brother would say, that was a little humorous, very little… more my reflection on JF’s thinking processes and his rationalizing his actions based on his first 10 years… if you can question it, I think I had better remove it… thanks for bringing it up…
June 30th, 2008 at 10:24 am
Hi there,
Just want to say thank you for creating and maintaining this page. i have it saved to my favorites and check everyday for updates. I have never been struck to the core as I have been by this story and I am always eager to hear about this brave family’s recovery…
June 30th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Jill,
Thanks for coming here.
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:21 pm
I wrote to Elisabeth care of her lawyer and he replied that he would convey my message, which was simply that I am so sorry for what has happened and that I pray for her every day. I thought other readers might be interested to know that this appears to be a reliable way to send a short note to Elisabeth.
July 3rd, 2008 at 8:20 pm
From Underground Dungeon to Anonymity
From underground dungeon to anonymity in open prison, it is regrettable that the Austrian authorities have been letting the fuss to pile up by way of secluding the Fritzl victims further and proposing to change their identities, may be, transport them to anonymous places, etc so that they would shield them from the eager world.
By doing so, the Austrian government and others tend to arouse the curiosity of the public and the media. What had happened to Princess Diana? It is good for the Fritzl victims to appear in public and mingle with the world, for they would be treated amicably everywhere.
This case happens to be special of its kind in the land of Sigmund Freud, the father of Psychoanalysis, let the victims be treated compassionately. Let the sick Fritzl also be treated to realise his piggish, eating his own shit kind of mental illness, and repent.
It is the society to blame, the mechanical, materialistic way of life to accuse, the insane pursuit of lust and orgies to point out, the careless police who ignored to retrieve the missing girl to point out, the tolerant and vulnerable mother who failed to question her amorous husband of his strange behaviour to account for, the Austrian government which try to make a mockery of the situation by arousing curiosity of the onlookers and media of its national shame to hold responsibility for furthering the menace to the victims….
July 3rd, 2008 at 8:26 pm
From Underground Dungeon to Anonymity
By
S. Maheshkumar
From underground dungeon to anonymity in open prison, it is regrettable that the Austrian authorities have been letting the fuss to pile up by way of secluding the Fritzl victims further and proposing to change their identities, may be, transport them to anonymous places, etc so that they would shield them from the eager world.
By doing so, the Austrian government and others tend to arouse the curiosity of the public and the media. What had happened to Princess Diana? It is good for the Fritzl victims to appear in public and mingle with the world, for they would be treated amicably everywhere.
This case happens to be special of its kind in the land of Sigmund Freud, the father of Psychoanalysis, let the victims be treated compassionately. Let the sick Fritzl also be treated to realise his piggish, eating his own shit kind of mental illness, and repent.
It is the society to blame, the mechanical, materialistic way of life to accuse, the insane pursuit of lust and orgies to point out, the careless police who ignored to retrieve the missing girl to charge, the tolerant and vulnerable mother who failed to question her amorous husband of his strange behaviour to account for, the Austrian government which try to make a mockery of the situation by arousing curiosity of the onlookers and media of its national shame to hold responsibility for furthering the menace to the victims….
July 6th, 2008 at 12:06 am
Thanks Lori, good to know that there is that link to Elisabeth through her lawyer…
S. Maheshkumar
I appreciate what you are saying, and yes, it might help, but and this is the real crux of the problem, the people involved have been so emotionally, psychologically and physically tortured, that to bring them into the public eye now, would be nothing less than inhumane; if you have ever been to a circus and seen the freak shows, then you would understand what I am talking about…
as for the society at fault, well, go to this site and read about a friend’s viewpoint of their years between 11 and 15; her parents didn’t put her in a dungeon, and she has had a life… what made Elisabeth’s father the way he is, is anyone’s guess at this point in time… whether it was the culture or his own upbringing we have to wait for the trial… that there is something wrong with the culture back then, is of now doubt, has it been changed, we will have to see… will the revelations coming out of Amstteten bring change, undoubtedly, and that, while at terrible cost, we can be thankful for…
http://www.austriantimes.at/?c=1&id=7326
July 8th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Thanks for the reply Mr. David.
As you say, it is inhumane to let Ms. Elizabeth and her children in the public glare, it is also ruthless to suppress their freedom by extending their toil and turmoil in the dungeon to open air.
This is the unique mishap that we have ever faced. We must treat them as if they had emerged from hell to heaven by respecting their breathing freshness and accepting them cordially.
There is the danger of criminal activities of this kind to foster if the criminal is left unpunished and untreated for his unpardonable offense and still uncured mania respectively. There is the threat to the lives of Ms. Elizabeth and her children if this maniac is let loose uncured.
,,Ich wünsche Frau Elizabeth und ihre Kinder, und ihre Mutter alles Gute.“
,,Ich begrüße auch sie nach Indien zu baden im Ganges und Besuch der heiligen Orten der Anbetung. Das mag Auftrieb ihre Seelen und Verjüngung ihre Geister.“
,,Mit herzlichen Grüße—S. Maheshkumar.“
I have appended few more to the tract, “From Underground Dungeon to Anonymity” and posted in my e-blogger:-
http://my-miscellany.blogspot.com/2008/07/from-underground-dungeon-to-anonymity.html
July 11th, 2008 at 10:46 am
http://www.austriantimes.at/?id=7439
Police will interview incest victim Elisabeth Fritzl within two weeks
Cellar incest monster Josef Fritzl’s daughter Elisabeth will be interviewed about her ordeal at his hands within the next 14 days, say Austrian prosecutors.
July 11th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
David,
Thanks for all your help. On some days, I am trying to cope with my routine work.
July 11th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
When i first heard the news about Elizabeth Fritzl when it was reported in a local TV here in the Philippines, i didn’t waste a moment to get details about it. I couldn’t sleep tight for almost a month. I couldn’t imagine how Elizabeth managed to stay in that dungeon for 24 years. Until now, i keep on searching news about the Fritzls for reasons of expecting GOOD NEWS about their current status, hoping that the’ve already overcome and adjusted in the outside world. I wish all the best for them. If only i am rich, i would help them, unfortunately i am just a poor boy. They should be given by rich people a free trip around the world for them to witness its beauty. And I hope that they realize that there is an existing GOD who love us equally.
To all those who could read this, let us LOVE FRITZLs even in a simplest way. Jay
July 11th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
I wish all the best to Fritzl Family and hope for Kerstin’s recovery
July 11th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Jay,
Thank you for sharing your nice thoughts.
July 11th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Ate Angie,
Ohhhh i never thought of receiving a reply immediately. Thanks for your reply. Actually, it’s already late in the evening here in the philippines, but i am not yet sleepy. I am still having some readings about d Frizls. You know what, there is no computer in my home address here in the Philippines, it only happened that i am working in the Manila (capital of the Phil), so i was able to have updates about the Fritzls (thanks for this site). What i did to share the story of Elizabeth is to print articles about her. When i let my Ate Angie (my eldest sister and your namesake)to read those articles, she almost burst and get angry (with josef), because she is not at ease receiving/knowing such terrible news.
July 11th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Are you a Filipino too?
July 11th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
Let us pray for the Fritzl
July 11th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
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July 12th, 2008 at 12:25 am
Hi Angie,
very confused here… we have the Austrian Times saying the questioning will take place in 2 weeks, and now my local paper and yourself saying it has already happened or is happening… are they both right…
July 12th, 2008 at 4:59 am
David,
Hi. I think it was because of the tenses used in the newspaper report. It could be a mistake because when the report was in the Past Tense, I thought the investigative questioning had started.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:02 am
Jay,
Not. We like to make friends.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:43 am
no, not a matter of tenses, it seems that a lot of news agencies have bought into the “unnamed Judiciary” person who has leaked this… I have been to the Austrian Press Association website, and find nothing on this… so rather puzzled…
according to Elisabeth’s lawyers, there have been leaks in the past from the judiciary and the clinic personnel, so this may be true also… as well, when Kerstin came out of her coma, it was almost 2 weeks before it became news, and even then it was not clear that it had happened earlier… so this may be a preempting of something like that by someone close to the courts… as in, yesterday, say 2 weeks they may start questioning her, and then 2 weeks from now or 3 weeks, come out with the news that it has been done…
By the way, good morning
July 12th, 2008 at 5:58 am
David,
That was clever deduction. They might want to avoid media frenzy.
Good day to you.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:58 am
re: Not. We like to make friends.
Ate Angie,
I was just a little curious since i am neophyte in internet exploring that’s why i have thought that you might be a Filipino too. Thanks for having time replying my messages even though it is not exactly about the “Fritzls”. I hope that we’ve became friends too. I will keep on sending thoughtful messages for the Fritzls (so that they learn that many people not only in Austria love them so much) and readers as well for them to spread love, friendship and patience. Haven’t you noticed that Elizabeth has indirectly widened the true meaning of love and friendship? Haven’t you assessed that through Elizabeth, lot of families became closer and tighter? And many of us, their supporters, have the same thinking to pray for others rather than for ourselves. Actually,I don’t know how would one be assessed to become a saint but for me, Elizabeth deserves to be treated as the Saint of friendship and Patience. I am a roman Catholic, i don’t mean anything about it to be misinterpreted, but for me-she deserves it.
Good Morning!
by the way “ATE” (w/c i often attach ahead of your name) is a Filipino word referring to elder sister. Elder sister is being addressed as “ate” to show the youngers respect to the older ones. Further, , because my elder sister ’s name is ANgie too, (you and my eldest sister r namesake).I say it b’coz you might be curious, I am not referring to a word “ate” which means past tense of the word “eat”.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
re: Not. We just make friends
Ate Angie,
Thank you for replying to my messages even though it is not definitely related to the Fritzls. Driven by mere curiosity since I am neophyte in Internet exploring, i thought that you are also a Filipino. Anyway, I wanna have friends too. I hope that we’ve became friends.
For the readers, haven’t you noticed that with the Fritzls, people come to think of deeper meaning friendship? We used to pray for them for a full recovery rather than praying for ourselves alone, through Elizabeth, we learned to love other people in our very own simplest way. Indirectly, Elizabeth merely thought us to be friends with others. Even in our very own family, more families became closer and tighter because of her. Haven’t you assessed that Elizabeth deserves to become a Saint for Friendship and patience, and even love? I am a Filipino Roman Catholic, i don’t mean to exaggerate the incident that happened to Elizabeth, but it only glance into my mind of her being a saint because of her patience during times she was underneath. Sorry for other readers whom they believe she doesn’t deserve to be but it is just my opinion and belief which no one can ever change. Aren’t her sufferings not enough to be considered?
The story of “Robinson Crusoe” who was struck in an island for a long time, the myth of “Icarus and Daedalus” who was imprisoned in a middle of the ocean and created wings for their freedom, the bible’s origin of humanity whom Adam became sad without Eve, the episode in a Japanese metallic hero “Shaider” where there is a community existed underneath like what happened to Elizabeth (but elizabeth is alone) are unbelievable, one might have said to oneself that this are totally just stories and are impossible.
Those i have mentioned are actually just stories we’ve watched and read. But what happened to Elizabeth is evidently the worst we are actually witnessing today, it is true. World and its people are the witnesses. Don’t Elizabeth deserve best? Doesn’t she deserve to be symbolized?
GOD SPEED!
Jay
July 12th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
What’s happening? i can’t send/post a comment anymore!
July 12th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Hmm
July 12th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Jay,
Sorry, there is a time delay for comments to get published.
July 13th, 2008 at 11:03 am
Hi Jay,
Austria is a Catholic country as well, and so your recommendation may not be out of place… I am not a Catholic, but I am a Christian… from what I have heard, a certain number of Miracles have to be recorded, or proven… and there is a process of recommendation and elevation… one other point… I don’t think I know of anyone who was declared a saint while alive… I could be wrong… others obviously will know better than me…
Blessings,
David
ps regarding Ate, is it not pronounced differently than the past tense of eat… I have a sister in law who is Phillipina and she has used it occasionally… she is from Leyte,Leyte…
July 13th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
David,
re: saint. thanks for the information.
re: the word “ATE” (for elder sister) is pronounced as ah-teh. Filipino words are pronounced per syllable (syllabic), e.g. (1)”KUYA” (for elder brother)- it is pronounced as kuh-yah; (2)”BUNSO” (for youngest among siblings) is pronounced as Boon-so’ with stressed on the last syllable.
you really have a Filipina sister-in-law? what a small world! So you’ve already been here in the Philippines? Actually Leyte (Ley-te)is far from my province Rizal. But i have co workers here in manila from different provinces including Leyte.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Jay,
Thanks for sharing your culture.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Jay,
I think some ordinary people are saints and angels but not in the canonized way of the Church. There are many rules that need to be satisfied before canonization. I think the last Saint to be praised as such while she was alive was Mother Teresa? That too, not canonized while she was alive?
July 13th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
Ate Angie / Kuya David,
re saint: ahh see. Yes, exactly!!!Elizabeth and her children are angels and saints though not in a canonized way of the church. That’s what i mean, (they are really saints and angels in my mind). Huh, it’s really difficult to have conversation in English and construct English sentences, too (hahaha , a little bit shy)
re culture (of respect): welcome always. I am always willing to share it, you may ask questions too if you have something to know you know that i know.
Jay
July 14th, 2008 at 10:28 am
Hi Jay and Angie
she is one tough, forceful (outspoken)lady…
First, never been to the Philippines, Corazon lives here in Toronto… there is a sizable Philippine community, some is concentrated downtown, while there is lot that has moved into the suburbs… I see her and her family about 3-4 times a year… btw she did away with the myth of the gentle Philippina
Second, don’t worry about your English, it’s fine… I’m only good at it because I have 60 years experience with reading… failed English grammar in public school… if I had to take a test now, I would still fail
finally, I agree with you, regarding the saintliness of Elizabeth and her kids that lived in the dungeon… she was 4 years alone before she became pregnant with Kerstin, so 5 years in total… and then after she had Kerstin, she had Stefan, Lisa, Monika and Alexander almost yearly after that… if you know anything about pregnancy, having children that close together can kill a woman… pregnancy depletes the bodies resources… and she can’t have been getting a lot of vitamins from the food to build herself up…
so yes, she is a saint… living for 5 years alone, I don’t know how she did it, I really do wish I knew… even without the torment of her father, on my own, I would have probably killed myself… I don’t think I could have lasted in a dungeon like that… with no hope ever of getting out…
the original dungeon was 380 square feet… if you look at the picture above, and cut off the bedrooms, and the passage way to them… the room with the counter and bathroom, and the hallway to the room with the refrigerator, that was it… and it looks to have been all out under the lawn…
perhaps we have to come up with a whole new category for sainthood… I think she is in class on her own…
July 14th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Dear David,
Somebody is a modest soul.
July 14th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Dear Jay,
Hi. Are there many internet users in the cities of the Philippines? What are the users interested in reading from the internet?
July 14th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Kuya David & ate Angie,
You have experienced 60 years of reading failed English grammar in the past, as in “60 years”? just wondering, i thought you are just few years older than me. By the way, I am going 26 this year. I created an imagery of a younger guy because most internet users here in the Philippines are teenagers. They enjoy having friends from different places. That’s why, for a guy like me, i cannot imagine how Elizabeth and her children were able to overcome 24 years. Remember, Kerstin and I have almost the same age. She is 19 just like my youngest sister. I cannot imagine that Kerstin and her siblings missed normal childhood/teenage life, collecting friends, having picnics, running in the rice fields, flying kites, gathering bird nests in the forests, gathering woods with my fellow kids to cook our food for our families, school parties, playing toys and other street games, “hide and seek” during night with power interruption in the community, watching “senaculo” (stage play of Jesus life) which is done during Holy Week, spending meals with neighbors during town fiesta, exchanging food during Christmas, going to school and winning the heart of the teachers to become part of the BARKADA (group friends), these are moments Fritzl children missed and I felt guilty. I cannot imagine that during happy moments of my life, there were kids like me who were suffering.
About pregnancy, I know how dangerous it is, in fact, I was born and delivered by my mom at home not in a current normal way of giving birth, and it was my father’s grandmother who acted as Comadrona because of the absence of the doctor And my father then was absent too. I know how dangerous it was but it is obvious that my mom was luckier than Elizabeth because we have neighbors who are always there during times we need their assistance. Until now, giving birth at home is still being practiced here in our Community because it will take an hour and a half travel to get in to the Hospital, that far. The only difference is that there is a Comadrona now in our Barangay who is being called to do the delivery at home.
About the internet users, there are many internet users here in the Philippines. Majority of them are teenagers and students. Workers who are abroad also love using internet. However, reading is not actually focus of the majority, Filipinos of today’s generation are known for being uninterested in reading. For students, some of them are just obliged with the school requirements, assignments, school projects, et cetera. For myself, I love image exploring in the internet, like artworks such as paintings, drawings, photos, beautiful tourist spots/destinations all over the world. Through this, I managed to see wonders of nature, so you don’t need to save a lot of money and spend it for a tour. I wanna go to different places, however, there are some hindrances, so I rather think of an alternative way of getting there – and that is through “INTERNET EXPLORING”. It is my only way to see those beautiful places (GOD is so great!!!). On reading aspect, I love reading touching stories like in storiesthattouch.blogspot.com, carlsguides.com, touching-inspiringstory.blogspot.com, et cetera. Try to read stories in that site also. I actually printed some touching short stories and gave it to my eldest sister who loves reading the same. However she is not much attached in today’s growing computer generation. She rather spends her time reading books than exploring internet, perhaps, because she also has no time for renting computer in Internet cafes because of her hectic work schedule, she rather takes rest for refreshment and another challenging days. She usually reads while in bed in her rented boarding house before sleeping. Furthermore, if you are aware of “friendster.com”, this is one that is very popular among students, teens and even elders. On this site, you can freely create your account where you can do sending messages, uploading pictures, giving comments to pictures, collecting friends, searching friends, creating albums of your memorable pictures. Through this, I managed to search for my old school friends simply by encoding their name and clicking search, and then you will send him/her an invitation to become your friend in your FRIENDSTER account.
I hope that the Fritzls also experience the same as I am experiencing.
I know how much Elizabeth is yearned to see her old friends when she was a teenage girl and a school girl. But still, it is her decision to meet and see them again, or to move on to a new better life, and let her and her children find happiness – happiness that everyone wants to be, world’s best discovery……..smile?????????????????????
July 14th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
Jay,
Hi. I wondered because different people have different reading habits. Thanks for sharing your view. I wondered what stories to include on this site for Filipinos and Filipinas.
July 15th, 2008 at 9:27 am
Dear Ate Angie,
Good morning!
One topic i think will attract most Filipino readers are those stories that are inspiring, success after many challenges and survival. Note that despite of having this small country, what more country in this world without a Filipino working for their families here in the Philippines. There are so many Filipinos all over the world working, majority of which are Domestic helpers and caregivers. Actually, I remembered when I was in Elementary that there was a country (i forgot what it was)which defined in their dictionary the word Filipino/Filipina as Domestic Helper and Prostitute rahter tha defining as people living in the Philippines (so disappointing on our part) . We are just working hard for our future, for our families, or maybe at least for survival. But who in this world do not want to be recognized for their good deeds? Maybe even the poorest needs respect and dignity. If you have time to watch a Filipino movie, best picks that defines Filipino Lives are the movie entitled “ANAK” and “ANG PAGDADALAGA NI MAXIMO OLIVEROS”. The former is full of drama while the latter seems like not a movie because the actors’/actresses’ actuations are very natural it seems just like just documented actual scenario. However, only the second one has English translation, I don’t know the first one if it there are releases with English translation
GOD SPEED!
July 15th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Dear Jay,
There are people who work in the red light district and they come from all races & countries. Vanessa Hudgens’ mother was from Philippines; who married an American in US. Now, Vanessa is world famous. People have more respect for differences. I like her voice in singing…
July 16th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
Ate Angie,
Yah, you’re right ate Angie. I know everyone has its own talents. So regardless of what status of life do we have, what class in the society are we in, or whatever principle in life do we have - we still deserve to be respected. One has no rights to question anyone’s life since we all have our own good and bad doings.
Kuya David,
Good day, how are you?
Kuya David and Ate Angie,
Thanks!!!!!! thru our chatting I am learning from you so many things. I will really treasure this moments that i met good people in this site
GOD BLESS US
Jay
July 16th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Dear Jay,
Thank you for sharing too. David might check in here when he is free.
July 17th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Ate Angie,
By the way, David is from Canada, I am from the Phil, how about you?
July 17th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Dear Jay,
I had explained to David that because of some work problems, I do not reveal my location. You can think of me as an internet person; existing inside the internet without boundaries.
July 18th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Ate Angie,
Ah, OK. I understand. If time comes that sending of messages in this site becomes rare (maybe in our busy months or there are shifts on our daily routine), may i asked a favor for you to send even sometimes to keep in touch and keep our friendship?
Thanks
July 18th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Ate angie,
To send/post message in this site, i mean
July 18th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Dear Jay,
Hi. Its been a while. How have you been? I have been alright. For me, the past few days were a bit bumpy but they became smooth sailing after small troubles were solved. Praise the Lord.
July 19th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Dear Angie, here is some information on the Fritzl case and the McCann case that you may want to source…
btw, not ignoring you and Jay, and your comments, just kind of having a wee problem at the moment… will be back to normal in a few days, “Lord willing and creek don’t rise”, as my mother would say, THAT is not good English by the way
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This is the announcement that Elisabeth has completed her testimony for the present, there may be further testimony, but not as intensive, just to clear up minor points…
http://www.austriantimes.at/index.php?id=7570
AT posted that Elisabeth has moved into a house of their own off the Clinic Grounds, but later reports say that the move happened around 3 weeks ago, around June 26th… this is exactly what they have been doing all along, as I pointed out earlier… postponing the announcement to at least 2 to 3 weeks after the fact… this came from our local paper… this is probably to mess up the Paparazzi… the fact that we knew about the interviews at all is because some one leaked it to the press, who wasn’t suppose to, and if they find him or her, they will be really fried by their boss… the Austrians have some verrrrry tight privacy rules… one of the reasons that Josef was able to get away with hiding Elisabeth for so long…
it has been said that Elizabeth is going to sue the media, and from the settlement that one person in the Madalein McCann case got this week, she could collect millions… will want to look at it to get an idea of what she will be able to get…
http://www.thestar.com/article/462666 this leads to the McCann article
15. 07. 08. - 17:00
Incest family moved from clinic
http://www.austriantimes.at/index.php?id=7534
Elisabeth Fritzl and her family have been moved to a secret location where they can continue their recovery in private.
The family were moved three weeks ago and the security team patrolling the grounds and perimeter at the Amstetten Mauer clinic which was costing the local council several thousand pounds a day has been cancelled.
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there is more than I have put here, but it is essentially the best of the article
http://www.austriantimes.at/index.php?id=7600
State prosecution denies reports Fritzl faces murder
State prosecutors in Austria have rubbished reports that incest monster Josef Fritzl will face murder charges.
Austrian tabloid ‘Österreich’ reported on Wednesday that the 74-year-old would face charges of murder over the death of one of the seven children he fathered with his own daughter, Elisabeth, following statements she gave about her ordeal.
But speaking to Austrian Times, state prosecution spokesman Gerhard Sedlacek said: “I don’t know what that report is based on. The truth is that the investigation is not over yet. We are waiting for a medical report from experts on whether the deceased baby would have lived if it had received medical help after it was born.
July 20th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Hello Angie, my Matrix friend, and Boonso Jay, Lori and others
back almost to normal… had a mishap with my left hand… made it difficult to use… rather embarrassing how it happened; I tried to break up a fight between two cats… the blessing was, a bracelet from China, that my youngest daughter bought on eBay for me two Christmas’s ago protected my wrist from two puncture wounds, but I got two below my thumb… but it is getting better now… HE said, Blessed are the peace makers…
so it seems Angie, both our lives have settled down for a moment… just as has the Fritzl’s, now living in their own house… someone has suggested that they are up in the Austian Alps… would be nice this time of year… sunny and not to hot… being able to walk about without the crowds of a city… time to expand their horizons and grow… I worry most for Stefan, as it has been said he is rather shy, and prefers his computer games… sent a note to the lawyer on Friday morning, no reply… do want that Stefan does not retreat into a shell, but gets out and sees people; socialize…
I have no reason to believe this, but when it was said that he and Felix were talking in their own language of grunts and growls, it hit my funny bone… I thought, “he has a sense of humour or better yet, a sense of the absurd; playing a trick on the clinic staff…” later they said he was doing course work for school and would be taking some of the exams… not the dummy that people were expecting perhaps…
today here it has been very humid and muggy, periodic down pours… could almost think I was in a tropical jungle, the heat mist off of the houses and cars… this is not normal summer weather, as I would know it from my youth… perhaps more like the Philippines, or Singapore… we usually have a dry, hot summer… bit humid toward August… then sudden cool down in September as we head into fall… perhaps it is just an old man’s worries, but it does seem that there is something to this global warming…
July 20th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
David,
I’m sorry to read about that. I once had a scratch wound from a kitten on one finger and my nail was dislodged into a crooked position. Do you need a jab against infection? A clean wound would be a good sign that all would be well. There is a price to pay for being a peace maker.
July 22nd, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Dear Angie, here is the latest from the Austrian Times… I had heard that a British tabloid had published something about this last Friday, but was unable to find it on their site… seems that every time the police make a statement, there is a little more of a peek behind the scenes, this time regarding the upstairs children being abused… I had been hoping that they had escaped that… but obviously not…
21. 07. 08. - 17:00
http://www.austriantimes.at/?id=7651
Austrian Times
Incest children may not have to testify
Partial copy of the article:
Prosecutors believe Elisabeth’s testimony is so strong that they do not need to put the children through the trauma of recalling either life in his demonic cellar or in his upstairs flat.
Three of Elisabeth’s children were raised in the cellar. Three more were brought up under his tyrannical rule in the home he shared with downbeaten wife Rosemarie.
One insider said: “They have her testimony, his confession as to what happened and the hard physical evidence - even the dungeon itself. There will be no need to make children already desperately scarred talk about what happened to them as this could trigger flashbacks and post traumatic stress syndrome which will be the equivalent of landing them slap-bang back in that cellar.”
Despite her fragile mental state Elisabeth, 42, was determined to give her evidence in secret - videotaped and listened to by prosecutors, her lawyer, her father’s lawyer and a judge - because she feared her father would try to escape justice.
She hates her father so much she never wants to see him again, including in court. Now she has detailed her abuse - including rapes that began when she was 11 and the circumstances surrounding the death of her newborn son three days after he was born - she will not have to face him at his trial scheduled for the autumn.
As it is, rape and imprisonment will put him away for a minimum of 15 years. He could face further years inside for child cruelty, wasting police time - he told authorities Elisabeth had run away to join a cult and that she “dumped” babies on his doorstep - forgery, fraud and grievous bodily harm; he is known to have beaten his children when they stood up to him.
July 22nd, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Dear David,
Thanks. I read that the sentencing is speculative. If they can pin an extra infanticide charge, J.F. may get a higher term.
July 23rd, 2008 at 4:02 pm
To all, who read about Elisabeth and het children, but don’t express themselves in this forum.
I’m sure you are out there and just as sad as I am about the terrible things that happened to this family. No day passes without me thinking about their situation. They are out of the cellar, and upstairs joined downstairs in a mutual, exceptional complex grieve, not comparable to any grieve I can think of. I feel for Elisabeth in her hate for her father and the years she had to endure this monster. She lived in an atmosphere of desolated hate and fear for years, until she had her children. And even then hatred was fed by her father in all the terrible things he did to her. Taking away her children must have broken her hart. How sad she must feel for all her children now in this new situation and although she suffered so much herself, she probably tries to be there for here children all the time. I thank their doctors and advisers that they keep this family so well hidden from the eager outside world to enable them to recover and to build a new and better life. I wish Elisabeth and her children happiness and freedom. I wish them the joy of nature, the smell of good things and the beauty of life. I wish them to heal!
Thyrza, Holland
August 4th, 2008 at 1:28 am
I do not feel that Justice will be completely serviced unless Elizabeth and her children are to receive every penny that stupid piss ant would get if he does sell his story. He needs to be held responsible for his actions, not everyone that he has blamed, who are now probably dead. And for the ladies,who claims that he is “mis understood” needs to go be put in the dungan for 24 years!!!!!!!!!And he needs to be hung upside down by his dick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 4th, 2008 at 3:02 am
This is so horribly sad. I commend those taking care of the Fritzls for no allowing them to be abused again by the media.
I am also 42, I was 18 in 1984; I cannot imagine having this much of one’s life stolen in such a violent way. Nor can I imagine what Elizabeth has gone through - what she has missed out on. Her hatred is just but I hope that she is able to escape this man mentally now. He is an inexcusable piece of trash who deserves no more hold on her. I pray the other prisoners get hold of him and tortue him unbelievably and that hell holds a special cell for him for eternity.
Elisabeth, life has just began. Your children and you deserve all the peace and happiness the world can give you. Though I am as curious as most, I hope you know most of us curious about your story are not only horrified but feel an outpouring of compassion and love for you and your family. I am sure it is overwhelming. It’s not too late to feel the sun on your face, the rain on your skin and to look at the beautiful sky. I hope life holds many wonderful things for you and your family in the future.
None of us can imagine what it must be like to be free after so many years, but we only hope that the pain of the past fades solidly and happiness fill your days moving forward.
God Bless,
Leslie
August 4th, 2008 at 11:51 am
I love j.a. Willis’ comment - right on! So true!
August 9th, 2008 at 12:59 am
Joseph Fritzl is receiving fan mail from those as sick as he is.
August 9th, 2008 at 1:15 am
As a former (one time) victim, my heart aches for Elizabeth and her children. How I pray God’s love and healing and His ministering angels embrace each of them and shower them with all God’s healing and love.
Especially for Elizabeth, in regard to the years stolen from her by a father who is obviously a very sick and ‘possessed’ man, may she come through the free gift of Jesus offered to her - may she come to realize (since there is no real death, only death of our bodies as we move on to continue living in the spirit)- she has all eternity to continue living, healing, loving and experiencing beauty through the free gift of life through Jesus. At this moment, she is already living in eternity. God promises her that if she accepts Jesus, old things concerning these 70-90 years here will pass away, and GOD HIMSELF SHALL WIPE ALL HER TEARS AND PAIN AWAY IN HEAVEN…she will not remember the old things…REad Ned Dougherty’s book, Fast Lane to Heaven, Dr. James L. Moody’s book, Life after Life and gaine hope for a bright future for all those who accept Jesus’ unconditional love for them and His free gift of a Bright, eternal life ahead.
I continue to pray and stand in the gap for Elizabeth and her children, to claim God’s love for them, shed in their hearts, for His eternal blessings showered upon them, for His Mercy to enfold them. May they realize those in the world who know love, hold them dear in their hearts and pray for their speedy healing and recovery. And may they feel the comfort of God’s ministering angels with them everyday as they embrace life, Light and the beauty of nature and those who deeply care for them. In God’s Love for them, gg
August 14th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Angie, it sounds like there is some new news. A story was linked to your website from http://www.newser.com about the family returning to the dungeon to help police in their investigation. It looks like it was just published and it seems to be a smidge confused as it says the family is still at the clinic.
August 14th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Lori,
Thanks.
October 8th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Hi.. Your summary of the events are so detailed.. Wow.. Great job done.. One of the more accurate websites with the whole complete story..
But I saw that your information stop somewhere in Aug.. You might want to check out the following website for more updated information..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/joseffritzl/
October 8th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
Thank you.
November 13th, 2008 at 9:13 am
Wow, thank you for putting together this time line—great work! Just saw on CNN that Joseph was charged with the murder of their son. Here is the link: http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/11/13/austria.fritzl/index.html
Thank you again for this wonderful time line. I’ve bookmarked your site.
November 17th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Has there been any news lately? I know that the Fritzel family needs privacy but I have not forgotten them.
December 30th, 2008 at 2:14 am
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/joseffritzl/
check out this website… updated till 23 Dec 2008
January 24th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
If I was to imprison my child down deep in my cellar, the police would be obliged to search my house- throughly with sniffer dogs as well. I cannot get my head around the fact that this was not done when Josef reported Elisabeth missing. Even back in the 70’s English law supported this police action as a normal matter of cause. Im confused! Fritzl burn alive you ****
January 29th, 2009 at 8:37 am
unreal
February 13th, 2009 at 5:18 am
josef fritzl is every young girls worst nightmare - he is evil beyong comprehension, a sex maniac, narcissist, rapist, torturer, kidnapper, murderer…need I go on. He is a monster pure and simple, the sheer enterprise of what he did with the length of time he continued his sick fantasy or rape and imprisonment makes him a totally disgusting creature. He, ofcourse, will never see himself that way - even now all I read about him is his obsession with himself. He never mentions his daughter of crimes against her but instead concentrates on being a “buddhist” ! so that he can come back in another life (if thats not a scary thought I dont know what is). Eerything he does concentrates on himself - he searches out news stories about himself, he asks for andti aging cream for himself, he tries to sell his story so that he has money in prison for himself, he is worried about going to a prison becaquse he is scared of being attacked, he wants to be studied (presumably in a hospital) so that “others wont do what he has done” - a ploy to try to get himself put in a hospital and not a prison. This “man” is an aberration on the human race, he is so appalling that words cannot describe him - there is nothing to study about this “man” as he is an obvious narcissistic sociopath - a boring limited individual who chooses to gratify himself by having control over his daughter. he never tried to do anything in life that was difficult of challenging instead choosing to lock up his daughter who was available to him, rape her and probably his granddaughter (daughter!) because it was - as always - the easy option for him. He is a totally pathetic “man”, a coward and a monster.
February 19th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
No words for this horrible story. Joseph is the creation of this society and still such people will exist. We kust simply talk whatever we like for such stoty and forget very fast. DO we need to study the reason of such pathetic act?
March 7th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Firstly the first 7 posts discussing Jesus etc are a disgrace.
That poor girl, the family… JF should be burned to death with his family invited to watch. He is pure evil and I hope he is never released.
March 13th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Yes they are. Please indoctrinated, conditioned Christians…could
you please start trying to think for yourselves instead of parroting all that unthinking medieval crap that you’ve been told to think.( I guess it’s not even possible now after years of brainwashing.) I find it so naive and ignorant and
arrogant and insulting. Where was Jesus when they were suffering so much? The ‘all powerful’ had a choice too as did Joseph Fritzel… Stop letting them both off the hook! It’s all the fault of Satin (no 5)??
Please grow a brain and start being responsible for your own life too.
If anyone responds with those ‘pat’ answers that I’ve come to expect you will just a proving my point.
March 13th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Yes, pissed off. I agree. We are responsible for our choices as was Frizel. He may have experienced hardship in his life but don’t we all have an innate sense of right and wrong? I guess sociopaths and psychopaths don’t but is there a point of choice somewhere along the line? I don’t know. I just know that I have had nightmares about it all
since I heard. I can’t bare it. I desperately hope that they can all find some semblance happiness now.
March 16th, 2009 at 6:19 am
Why blame god….
Humans do tragic, horiffic things to one another, unimaginable.
Imagine this,,,,,,,,,having 6 babies with your biological father, what future health problems are they going to suffer, let alone emotional, physical or spiritually.
I wish the family much strength, and to focus on recovery with the aid of trained professionals. Im sure this will be a life long scar.
May they find inner peace in their lives, and their futures with ppl who love them……
God didnt make man do this , man made this happen….
March 16th, 2009 at 11:36 am
The picture of the tourists taking pictures is a sign of the times.
More out of placed smiles and thumbs up could not be done.
I feel sick and disguisted that a group of people see this as an tourist attraction.
They should have been put in jail for this.
March 16th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
I agree with u andrew,,,,,,its sick…….
March 17th, 2009 at 1:49 am
I really feel sorry for Elizebeth fritzl. May God help her to recover from the agonizing memories, and may God she could spend a peaceful and healthy life in future. Ameen
March 17th, 2009 at 4:30 am
I am sick to the core of such acts done by this man. He has been entrusted and in charge of a wife and wounderful children which he brought up and distroyed them in ways which will take a life time to heal. What is even worse than his crimes, is the fact that the court system in this or in most countries will struggle to punish a man who commits such acts. The system in this country, as was commented above encouraged and legaliised ill treatment of women, imagine these are daughters, sisters and mothers who sell themselves. The whole system has failed this family and many others and will continue to do so. There must be a system that deals justly and fairly and gives the victims a sense of justice rather than fearing that the one who distroyed their lives may get out and they worry for many more years to see if he is released. What should the punishment be for such a man?? For the family, turning the other cheack will not be a choice. This man needs to face the cosiquences of his actions and realise that he is wasting his breath and only digging a hole for himself. Most sane people see he needs to be held accountable. Those who support him need questioning at least.
What is the solution? If society condones abuse in some forms it is important that is a system that cannot be adjusted to suit the currupt or those who themselves pray on the weak. Yes it must be a system unable to be currupted by man. You do need a solution that fits all societies and times. Answer is islam. proof of the pudding
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPMbOQONl5I
and
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1125407868541
Now we will see how much justice this country has to offer this poor family. imagine that was your familym may Allah forbid
March 17th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
He honestly should be tortured not imprisoned for life not even executed … his dick should be chopped of slowly in pieces …. One foken finger and toe at a time… he should have a long broom stick handle with nails up his ass every now and again… he must not be allowed to shit for aleast a month.. to name a few…
March 17th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
This man should be hanged am sorry what he done was un acceptable and should not be toltered in any form of way. My heart goes out to elizabeth and the rest because they have missed alot in t-days world he should be dead!
March 17th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
hes a bastard
March 17th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
allegedly a photo was published by the british tabloid called THE SUN of Elizabeth Fritzl and her daughter kerstin…anyone know where to see it online???
March 18th, 2009 at 12:13 am
That evil bastard should be stoned or burned to death ! Shitty animal!!
March 18th, 2009 at 12:45 am
This man Josef is a total waste of space; and so is that woman Rosemarie. As a mother, who would NOT QUESTION the things this man did? I don’t believe she didn’t know; I’ve been with several abusers and they do make you question your sanity or your right to object. However, what MOTHER does not ask for some level of proof of her teenage daughter’s disappearance? And three kids that show up on your doorstep, and food disappearing. I’ve spent so many years in Europe now, and in America, we seem to believe that all Europeans are classier then most Americans. This is proof that white trailer trash exists in Europe. I’m so sorry for that daughter whose ENTIRE life was frittered away on his personal sex/ownership psychosis and a mother who is too weak to ask questions when it comes to her kids. The majority of her adult life is destroyed, and those children who believe Rosemarie is their mother when all she did was either abet or be complicit in his disgusting, animalian behavior. The other children are not educated, they have not seen the light of day, they have watched their mother being raped by their grandfather. And those daughters? Have they also been raped by their grandfather? This man does not deserve jail; he should be gunned down by a firing squad. And his wife with him. On TV. People who mistreat the children they bring in this world (THEY make that choice)are the lowest form of mammal. WHAT PIGS. I’m totally disgusted.
March 18th, 2009 at 9:17 am
hence look at the punishment which is just in the links i pasted above.
March 18th, 2009 at 11:50 am
This monster deserves to be judged by the whole world - we should collect everyone’s ideas of how the slowest most torture like way of possibly killing someone could take place - the kind of killing that would make the horror movies look like a walk in the park - I would recommend that he be put in a tub full of snakes and venomous spiders to be bitten over several hours while leeches are inserted into his eyes (while he is given medical drugs to keep him alive for longer) - then his arms and legs be tied apart and slowly over several days be pulled apart - then while he is still alive they should cut off his balls and dick and feed it to a dog - when that’s done we should burn him in a pressure oven slowly and leave a little gap where he stare at a photo of elizabeth fritzl smiling.
March 18th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Jesus Christ!!This is the incredible and foolish story I have never heard in my life !!!
Which kind of people are austrichians!!How such thinks like that and during 24 years can happens and nobody have not be able to noticed or suspect something!
I bring all my suport To U Elysabeth and I am crying just to the idea of thinking of what you can have supported during all these years into this cellar!!God bless U and Give U Strength!!!!
March 18th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
i think death would be too kind for this man. i think he should live the remainder of his years in the smallest prison cell in austria and raped multiple times daily by the biggest inmate they have. i think he should be stripped of all pride and self confidence he has. rosemarie is a liar. she deserves the same. what mother doesn’t question where their child is? what wife doesn’t question why her husband is spending all of his time in the basement and why her “grandchildren” keep popping up at her doorstep but never sees her daughter leave them?! that woman is as guilty as he is and deserves the harshest of punishment as well. elisabeth and all of her children, including the one’s that lived with her fahter upstairs, will never lead a normal life. i hope that god has reserved a special seat in hell for josef and his wife for the damage they have done to their daughter and her children. i am disgusted that a human being like that is even taking up oxygen on this earth.
March 19th, 2009 at 1:14 am
i have followed this story ever since the beginning,my heart goes out to elizabeth,, and i wish her nothing but the best for the rest of her life and the kids,,this has touched me in more ways then one,, if i had this bastard in my hands i know what i would do to him,, prison life will be to easy for this man,, i for one think that he should be hung in a court yard somewhere,,in other countries he would have been put to death by now,, what in the hell was he thinking,, how in the hell could he do this to his own daugther,, i will never understand this as fare as i live,, rest in peace you bastard!!!!
March 19th, 2009 at 5:25 am
I would torture this man in the worst way, and at the same time… keep him alive so he could suffer for as long as possible.
March 19th, 2009 at 5:29 am
Elizabeth was imprisoned for a long time just as joseph in the bible was imprisoned. At the end of joseph’s imprisonment, he was elevated to a position of power, prominence and honor. Joseph had to learn many things while in prison in order to function as a leader in Egypt. He had to learn forgiveness toward those who caused his imprisonment. My prayer for Elizabeth is that she forgive her father, not for his sake but for her sake so that she too can leave the horrors behind and be free to be elevated to position, prominence and honor. The bible doesn’t say that God loves everyone. The bible says that God hates the workers of iniquity. It also says that he loved Jacob but hated Esau. There are those who God has already determined and destined for destruction and Elizabeth father certainly fits into a destructive category all his own.
Be free Elizabeth, forgive and be elevated to the place that is untouchable by man.
March 19th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Don’t blame Jesus Christ (Peace be upon him). He is one of the mightiest messengers of the only one almighty Allah (The true God). He preach and practice the true religion that is “Submitting will to almighty Allah”. His religion was nothing but Islam. But some pervert Christians changed the law of Allah like some previous pervert Jews. They forbidden the law of Polygene (may be during the 10th or 12th century). That rule made most of the people monster (also made Josef Fritzl). In the Islam if anyone is able to marry more than wives only he is allowed (surely a few of all the people are only found capable) but without marriage any kind of sexual relationship is prohibited but what do the so called Christians do? All the Christians countries governments including some so called Muslim countries too are earning money from Prostitution, Gambling, illegal drugs and spend for buying or producing food. By eating those foods most of the people of those countries are making their body forbidden to the haven. Shame on those people who says that only believing in the only one almighty Allah (the true God) is sufficient to enter haven. no, no, no he will surely ask us about our all the tasks. Only 1 or a little bit more people per 1000 people will enter into haven and the others will go to hell because of their wrong doing. I am also not sure about my reward or punishment because my country Bangladesh is also following American and European laws. Please read your own religious scriptures, please.
March 19th, 2009 at 10:35 am
This… is… unbelieveable. I cant begin to fathom the situation. Its so unreal, but you know how REAL it is… Elizabeth… You angel. I believe sainthood is a must here. Elizabeth and her family have survived it all. I really respect them for making it out alive.
March 19th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
weird thing, hard to belive from the part of the world i came from
March 19th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
god save the world from this kind of brutal crime every body must fight against this kind of bad things happening in the world. every body must and should have a humanity,kindness,pure love with out any expectations
March 20th, 2009 at 12:28 am
And I agree with florence. It’s like the saying: Guns dont kill people. People kill people.
Or gaping holes in vital organs kill people.
Depends on your perspective. both are true.
But this man deserves to be tortured. Death is too easy.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:25 am
I hope that Elisabeth really enjoy her life and her kids up to now. Unfortunately we cannot change the past. It was one of the worst histories I have heard.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:16 am
I think this is retarded, and he should go on death sentence. But i agrea that death would be too easy, he does deserve to be tortured. It doesn’t matter if he is mentally ill, he knew damn well what he was doing, or he wouldn’t have locked of his own daughter in a celler let alone touch her inappropriately. He’s a sick pig and that’s just being nice!!! He should get what he deserves, if not more, but it should be the worst thing he will ever go through and his last. Elizabeth has to go through this her life, as well as those kids. He deserves all of us who are disgusted with this that should be the one to toucher him and make him suffer for what the *$$hole did.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
The sadness of this story is un explainable. The truth is that Joseph Fritzl was and is a horrible person. There is no explanation to what he did, no justification for what Elizabeth suffered.
A couple of questions, did she never try to escape?
Did she never try to hit him over the head as he entered the Celler?
Why did the mother never know, how can you live with someone and not know what they do in the basement!!!
Even when the boys grew up, why did Elizabeth no train them to attack Joseph Fritz? one day when he came to the celler!!
There are so many unanswered questions?
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:50 am
I think most of you sound absolutly insane. Plastic Surgery, and Jesus Christ as mediums to restore all that has been takken from them?
The only cure for this situation is to know that here father was a complete dirt bag. they need to understand that none of this situation is thier faults and they need to never, ever forgive anyone for whats happened to them. They will also need to be reintroduced into exceptable living standards. All the while keeping in mind that what is normal to us, is far from noraml for them. I once read a case where a pair of feral children were found, walking on all fours, having fully adjusted to thier conditions as a part of a wolf pack. after being discovered by near by people they were attempted to be recivilized… to make a long story short both children died, because they were removed from the pack that they were raised in.
My point is this: do not force change on these people. what seems like the right thing to do is not the right thing to do at all. Allow them the comforts of solitary if thats what they need, or smaller tighter living spaces if thats what they need to adjust. Those kids that were raised upstairs amongst “the real world” should maintain thier freedom, and be left alone if they plan to have any normal, sucessful life. Those who unfourtantly never had the privilage of free will should be offered it and not forced into it. it is destructive, and in most cases results in the opposite effects disired. I myself don’t want them to be civilized, on account of making myself feel better. I personaly think they diserve happiniess, and not having that troll lurking around in thier lives may just be all the happiness they need. Finding Jesus, or having plastic surgery done, so that i can see them as normal people? Thats just wrong. Also people need to realize that we humans, are still animals. socail animals yes, but take that away from us and we do infact act, and think like anaimals. primal insticts. Questions like why didn’t they attack, or why didn’t she try to escape, or any of what we think would have been the right thing to do…. these answers can be answered by looking at situation as if you were an abused dog. at any point that dog could probably turn over, and rip it’s owners thraot out, but it never does. because this dog doesn’t know any better. imagine if she did try to fight back. which i’m sure has. She is probably beaten, and then possibly not fed for awhile, or her aggressions are taken out on her children. say they did knock him out, they don’t know the code to leave. they’d have to hold him there , say if he died. well they’d be locked away froever. i mean don’t you think the monster would have expressed all of this to all of them to induce fear. truth is none of us will ever truely know what it must have been like, and why certain things were not done to prevent this from going as far as it did. i mean i’m wondering why his wife is locked away as well. she couldn’t have been so damn niave… any case we should be happy for their freedom, and we should not force them into changes, they incapable of excepting. not mention unknowling able to except. really the best thing we can do is offer our help in terms of support ie: housing, education, medical treatment, and alot of family theapy. they need to understand that what is noraml to them is not normal everywhere. anyway best of luck to them, and the best we could do is help them out in the ways we best can, and that is to let the professionals do thier jobs, and we can send them money if need be, like we do everyone else.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:46 pm
i believe that the dad should not be killed but they should study him and find out what casues a person to do something like this and i believe that they should keep this man lock up..and once he is studyed all the way… he should get death…for all the damage he has cause his daughter and for what kids have gone threw…i hope the daughter and the family get all the love and support…
March 25th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Elizabeth has my full admiration and love and support, This situation has effected me deeply and when I think about what I have done over the past 24 years I can’t believe that she has been locked up down there for all that time by that piece of filth. I hope Kerstin got to her Robbie Williams concert.
Elizabeth and her children should have whatever they want on a plate and should never have to have a job unless they want to work
As for that Rodent I think this is the most despicable act and even the most offensive words could not describe adequately how bad it is.
I don’t think there is a punishment bad enough in this life to make him pay for what he as done.
Elizabeth is a wonderful strong woman she and her children deserve nothing but love and respect.
March 25th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
no Islam, no Christ, no other religion but only the humanity inculcation is enough to avoid doing such crimes.
the only way to punish the demon is to put in the same dungeon for next 24 years with no medical help.
My admiration for the moral strength of Elizabeth and wish that she and her children will have wonderful life ahead. Elizabeth and the children, welcome back to the free, beautiful world with bright sun and fresh air.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
There is so much sadness and unceasing anguish in my heart over the past few weeks that I have been following this case. I at one time cried uncontrollably thinking of my daughter locked in that dungeon, thinking that daddy doesn’t love her anymore….. how does a dad do this to anyone let alone his own daughter? He was suppose to protect her not rape, molest, imprison, and steal the very things in life that make life beautiful. I am not talking about material things, or education etc… I mean things like rain, sunlight, fresh air, sand between your toes, moonlight, the powerful ocean… laughter… he STOLE ALL OF THIS!!!!! WHY!!!!!!!!!!! This man was SATAN incarnate…. he was Satan walking among us… this is what is going to be like in hell….
Why this family had to suffer this why, I will never know… it may have been better for him to just kill her then to FORCE her to SUFFER… then to beat the kids in the cellar!!!!!!!!!!
Now he get protection, and medical care for his stupid heart condition????!?!?!?!? Are you serious?????
Did he give medical care to his prisoners?? No, he beat them, deprived them ox fresh air and sunlight…. taunted them with visions of the outside world, no books, limited TV (thank god they had a little something to relive the madness)
Just because you come down with a stupid dumb ass Christmas tree and some retarded gifts, that does not justify or rationalize what you did you APE!
Then you want to complain about your incarceration??????????? You want to say you regret taking Kristin to the Hospital because your secret was revealed….. sooooooooooooooo you didn’t pal on releasing them, you were 73 years old… you would have died along with your secret and then they would have been buried alive…. BURRIED ALIVE… (laughing) you think for a moment when you stand before God that you would get away with this? You may not have the answers now, you may make excuses now, but when you stand trial in front of God, you will face him, heaven and you victims…. May God have mercy because Hell is 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 x’s worse than what you put that family through.
Damn….Are you freaking kidding me????????!!!! Did you ever think about how your kids felt locked up when you were above ground enjoying your life and the lives you stole DID YOU? YOU FREAKING DEMON…. DID YOU????
I have so much to say… but there aren’t enough words to describe my disgust for what you did… It scares me to think that my father is an EXACT representation of you….
You both disgust me…
Man, I feel so freaking trapped… I have to get counseling after reading this story because it has opened up some very bad memories from my childhood.
I hope you live a long life, I really hope that you do.. I hope you live till 97 years of age in extreme pain, locked in your cell with minimal medical help….
March 26th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
I feel sooooo… sad for Elizabeth and her children, i have full sympathy with her, she is a wonderfull women i have ever seen. I even can’t sleep properly for past few days, it’s shocked me like i dont know how to explain…….. 24 years!!!!! Oh my God, i was just start my primary education at that time, and now i am 31! I have a full respect and love for that strong girl (Elizabeth) and her children from my bottom of my heart on the other hand I would like to request to the Austrian government to shoot that monster bustered…. cause he has no right to alive in this beautiful world.
March 27th, 2009 at 11:26 am
Hi, Addie here. I have come back from the dead to praise my new idol. ALL HAIL FRITZEL, ALL HAIL FRITZEL, ALL HAIL FRITZEL.
April 9th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
my life changed the day i read about elizabeth . my life will never be the same. i pray for her
April 26th, 2009 at 12:16 am
i have been reading this article for so many days now…why dont you just imprison that M & M (MANIAC & MONSTER) man in the dungeon? let him feel the cold, mouldy,filthy, dark and stinky smelled like he do throughout his life? he ruined 7 lives, thus he NEVER deserved special attention. He’s going to hell anyway!
To Elisabeth and her children : may you recover fast, God bless you all. Elisabeth is so courageous…
May 12th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Bitch Had It Comin’
May 18th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
How r my matrix friends Angie and David? just dropped by to ask how are you